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I don't disagree with anything you are saying. My whole point, which got derailed somewhere and not just with you, was that the author of the article was claiming that had someone offered the lady a seat it would have been sexist in the sense that it would devalue the female sex.
Do you think offering your seat to a female devalues her gender?
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Ping! The penny has just dropped for me. This has just become an increasingly interesting exercise in communication and on one's perspective of an issue.
No, I don't feel that offering a seat to a woman devalues her gender, though that doesn't change my opinion that it's still a sexist act if the same courtesy wouldn't be extended to a fella.
The part I'm finding most interesting is that each of us appears to think the opinion of the other is more-or-less reasonable. The source of contention, the seed of debate it seems, comes from the terms with which we view the situation.
I say it's sexist since it's preferential treatment, based on gender.
(I think?)
You say it's not sexist, since there's not been what you (or I) consider an act that devalues the gender.
I think the author is a bit of a nut-job & am perfectly prepared to say I'm entirely uncomfortable with her article and it's core assertions.
I'm not sure if you could say we disagree or agree on the matter, I'm really not. I think such a simplistic label would do us each a disservice. I can definitely say that it's given a valuable lesson that what we think someone thinks may very well not be the case - even when it seems abundantly clear, gentle probing questions can certainly reveal unexpected answers.
I don't feel this applies to either of us in our communication with one another, but I can't help but be reminded of an old gem:
"A little old lady once said to me, always make your words sweet my dear - for you never know when you'll have to eat them"
Thanks for the discussion. (sorry for the derailment)
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin
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Wow. An actual intellectual conversation. I have spent too much time in the soapbox dealing with juvenile responses. Your's is very refreshing. Thank you.
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Quote: you are claiming they are inferior to the male No. You are claiming that. I am claiming it is polite.
Quote: I am sure our slave owning ancestors and oppressive husbands also felt they were not. There's the middle school Collin. Zowie.
Quote: that it is devaluing to someone though. Yes. Which I think is idiotic if you think offering your seat to a woman devalues her or anyone else.
Do you open the door for your wife? Do you buy her flowers? Why, she could buy them herself. You are devaluing her claiming that she can't buy them as good as you can or that she isn't strong enough to open her own door.
Common decency apparently is not so common anymore.
Be a man!
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By trying to neutralize gender you are the one devaluing both males and females. Embrace the differences. Be grateful for them.
Man up. Respect women because they are women. Holding the door for a woman devalues her gender? That is so stupid.
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Quote: What does that even mean? Proof of my point.
Quote: Why should they get more or less respect because of their gender? Further proof.
Quote: If done simply because she is a woman yes. And yet more proof.
Quote: Call it what you want OK. I call it being polite. Or being a man. Take your pick. Both work.
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Nothing new? OK.
When you got something new that's funny let me know. All these jokes are worn out by you.
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Quote: Still refusing to answer. OK. If you say so Collin. Sure.
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No, not at all.
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I still have the last word because an icon is not a word.
Burn!
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K, fine. I'll let you have the last word. Go ahead. You're welcome.
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OK. If you say so Collin.
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Anyone bother to goto the site and view the HTML source? I am going to go out on a limb and state that the design philosophy was rapid change. Those are some bloated pages. Maybe code project could have a contest to see who can rewrite the healthcare.gov home page (just the index) in the smallest download footprint that would operate on the latest versions of all the major browsers.
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