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Senior Software Developer at CMM 3 level company

Or

Technical Lead at 300 Man power Company

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

OK, I choose "Senior Software Developer." What do I win?

The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.

Thanks, you will win nothing but It will help me in future

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

Glad I could help.

The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

Former. Trust me it is better.

"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]

You've given the least important information to choose a job.

There are other factors to consider:

What will you be doing at the jobs?
Does #1 help with what you want to become in a few years?
How much will each jobs pay?
How does the benefits stack up against each other? (stock options, insurance, broadband, fuel reimbursement etc.)
What about job stability? Do they have a history of laying off people randomly?
What is the work culture like, and how are the people there?
How many paid days off available, or is it a slavery contract?
Small company does not mean a bad thing; in fact, it has its own advantages.
My morning coffee is yet only starting to show its effects, so can't think more

They can call me "Coding pongo pygmaeus" if they want, but more important are the other things I talked about. And oh, CMM levels amount to ape sh*t in my books.

"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

I choose my You ...my bed and blanket Smile | :)

You are asking too hard questions on Monday morning. Have some mercy.

Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

The one that suits my current needs better.

You should do the same.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Neither, thanks.

I'd prefer a smaller, more agile company where you can actually make decisions without having to get them through 6 layers of BS...

The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.

Thanks sir, I am totally agree with you...

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

Third option.

Veni, vidi, vici.

There is only two option now which one is third ?

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

Suvabrata Roy wrote:
Which one you choose

For what?

In general I agree with Rajesh, that we'd need a lot more information to make an intelligent answer; but CMM is a red flag. Assuming they're doing it for real you're looking at a lot of process in the way of writing code. And if they're only faking it for the auditor you need to wonder what other forms of smoke they're trying to blow up your *ahem*.

Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

No it's a real Scenario... I am bit confused because my friend ask to me help him on this matter

Life is all about share and care...

public class Life : ICareable,IShareable
{
// implements yours...
}

You've given us little more than job titles; which is nowhere near enough enough information to evaluate which job is the better option.

Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

Agree Dan - CMM is a red flag for me too. I remember when CMM was all that. Shooting for CMM 5 was *the* goal. Have a friend join a CMM 3 striving for level 4. He fixed one bug in 3 months... He gave up and quit.

Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

charlieg wrote:
Have a friend join a CMM 3 striving for level 4. He fixed one bug in 3 months...

Yikes! I'm wondering if your friend's former employer either had a much more bloated definition of what CMM3 was; or had already implemented a huge amount of lvl4 process cement. In my case, lvl3 only meant spending 2/3rds to 3/4ths of our time doing documentation instead of coding; and I'd split the docs roughly 50/50 between useful and busywork: The detailed test procedures mostly being in the first category.

The reqspec being 50/50 in nailing down what the customer wanted/needed but being in an overly verbose and tedious to maintain format. The design spec however fell into the mostly useless category; about 10-20% would have been worthwhile if treated as a non-maintained write only planning doc, the remainder is nothing more than a crappy duplication of what's much easier to see from within visual studio/the app itself and too down in the weeds to be of benefit to anyone who isn't a dev anyway.

Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

Entirely possible. But what I have noticed is that people who DON'T WRITE THE CODE get all excited and twitter-pated about the process, enhancing the process and improving the process. His situation was a little extreme - the process people were in complete control, and said process stated he could not work on anything else until his current change was released into the system....

ugh

Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

Dare I ask what the process said he was supposed to be doing while they were ~~approving his change~~farting around uselessly?

Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius

Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt

bingo! He was climbing walls.
He's in a much better position now.

Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

charlieg wrote:
people who DON'T WRITE THE CODE get all excited and twitter-pated about the
process, enhancing the process and improving the process.

Not surprising since the people that don't write the code are often the ones that are using the code, or explaining why promised features are not there, or explaining why the delivery is late and vastly over budget, etc, etc, etc.

Naturally those are topics that those only concerned with writing code, by definition, don't consider important.

Dan Neely wrote:
but CMM is a red flag. Assuming they're doing it for real you're looking at a
lot of process in the way of writing code.

There are studies that show that effective process control (methodology does not seem to matter) improve all aspects of software development. And one possible result of that for developers can be higher morale as they are more likely to deliver on time, have fewer bugs and less likely to be overworked.

Dan Neely wrote:
And if they're only faking it for the auditor

Now of course if you have only ever experienced that sort of process control, which isn't effective, then you are unlikely to see any benefits. That however wouldn't be unusual since most process control is ineffective.

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