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I know, right?
Though now he also says he'd rather I were an analyst than a developer. I need to find a new project.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Though now he also says he'd rather I were an analyst than a developer Sure, can he point out the difference then?
PIEBALDconsult wrote: I need to find a new project. A new employer. Someone that knows what they actually require.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yes.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Are Python jobs usually the sole/primary language for a position or is it something used occasionally? I've never tried it. I have been using PowerBuilder since 1994 but also use C++ in simple non visual apps.
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In job offers (at least the ones I know), usually it is NOT the primary programming language.
As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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CPallini wrote: As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more. I'd like to see a source for that claim; I'm not even ridiculing it because that is redundant.
"More and more", did it climb from 0.21% usage to 0.22%?
What comes preinstalled and works with Office, Exchange, SQL Server? Yes, your first idea must be Python!
Even Java is more requested. Not just locally btw. Python isn't even on the bloody list
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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'Preinstalled'?
'Windows'?
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
modified 25-Aug-22 1:02am.
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The runtime for .NET is.
vbrun300.dll, innit?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Learn to sell yourself; not some language.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Don't select a language based on how difficult it is to learn.
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Or you just will get down to Q and will get stuck there forever
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
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If you optimize your skills for "most job openings", you'll just be yet another fungible unit of human resource.
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English is probably the leading language!
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中文 it is.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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You could learn Python; or you could learn a programming language.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
To err is human, to arr is pirate.
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Having done a few things with Python as a hobby my biggest concern with using it professionally would be with the quality of code I would encounter.
Python seems to be very much a language picked up by people who have not necessarily got the understanding and discipline of software development. It doesn't seem to generally be a language that software developers chose but more one that scientists choose and for that reason I would tend to avoid working with it - hopefully someone can prove me wrong here.
Maybe that makes me a software development snob...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: a software development snob
I represent that.
There are languages, going back to BASIC, intended to be easy to learn and do a few simple things. Python is one of the latest of them.
My father was an electronics engineer, but he was able to use BASIC to make some tables of figures he needed. That's about all he needed a programming language to do.
I have seen newer versions of BASIC (VAX BASIC and Visual Basic) used for largish applications, but they weren't very good. The designers and developers didn't seem to have the proper mindset.
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I liked what I found in Python, however I think that it's a really poor language for learning software development as it is not strongly typed among other weaknesses.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Essentially a scripting language, often used as glue. Definitely not a general-purpose programming language.
I disagree about it not being good as a first language. It definitely should not be a final language.
I think it has just enough to separate the wheat from the chaff -- anyone who wants to continue learning to program should quickly advance to a better language.
And if it gets beginners in the habit of consistent indenting, so much the better.
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C#, (T-)SQL and HTML/CSS (and JavaScript?) should get you more jobs than you'd ever want.
It's what I use in my company and I know at least four other local companies that use it too (and I live in a small countryside village).
And all are desperately looking for people.
When you go up to the large Dutch cities like Rotterdam, The Hague, Amsterdam or Utrecht, there's a virtually limitless supply of jobs requiring those exact languages.
I know this (Dutch) website, https://werkenmet.net[^], which has only .NET job offers (and no recruiters) and it has 344 job offers, but there are a lot more out there.
Of course you'd have to move to The Netherlands, but I can't imagine those languages aren't used in the USA.
Trust me, if you know those languages it's not about learning a new one, it's about picking up the phone, calling the company you want to work for and scheduling a meeting.
In The Netherlands there's such a shortage of workers that you'd have to sh*t on your future boss' desk to be rejected (and even then they may hire you and just get a new desk).
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That website seems nice, I don't need it right now but I'll keep it in mind
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Yeah, its founders are ex-recruiters who realized the recruiting market is a scam.
A recruiter doesn't want to match you to the company that best fits you, they want to match you to the company that pays them the best.
And with fees ranging from 10k to 25k(!) that's no wonder.
This platform was made with the developer in mind, instead of the employer or recruiter.
Employers pay to have their job offers on the website and developers can respond to job offers or just browse.
By asking a couple of technical questions they hope to keep out recruiters.
I know every company that wants a profile is personally screened by the founders and if there's any doubt the company is a recruitment agency their request is denied.
Companies are also forced to write very detailed job offers with a salary indication, so developers won't waste their time talking to companies that don't meet their needs.
It's also strictly .NET, so you won't find Python, PHP, Java, or plumbers, accountants and other jobs that you'd find on a regular job site.
It's really refreshing to see a platform that takes the developer's needs into account
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Javascript!
...there, I said it. Used everywhere and a lot more common for real jobs than the snake language.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I will use the big fat IT DEPENDS
Do you want quick money, then look at Fortran or Cobol, 1 years experience could get you a salary higher then 10 years of javascript.
What do you like doing. Front, back, side to side, and shake it all about. That can narrow down some things to look at.
Your location can factor into the work. If wanting to do long term salary vs short contract work.
In regards to TIOBE and other top languages, my main issue is the metrics used. Java, Python can rank high because used for new programmer and hobbies, thus higher amount of community chatter asking questions, which creates cycle keeping them high. That said, I work in a C#/Microsoft stack and so when look for C# work, think there is loads of work around and why would you use Java, as last experience 2014 was such a head ache compared to net core build and run.
So ill say it VB high, net core does have plans for progressing VB still, and if want job and money, companies are due to retirements forking out money to get people to maintain their stuff. Again big caveat LOCATION.
Lastly if just about moving and doing the next thing, yeah Python will do.
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A strange mix of languages here.
One product is nearly pure C++, but is starting to also use C#.
Another product is nearly pure C#, but uses a smidgeon of C++ to interact with the first product.
Yet another product is pure C#, but uses a batch of P/Invokes to interact with other product written in C++.
Finally, a few new web-based products that use a mix of C#, JavaScript, Python, and who knows what else.
All of these products are in active development and hiring.
-- modified 24-Aug-22 17:53pm.
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