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I remember the very first time I tried to use a Linux installation. Must have been somewhere around 2000.
Spent around 40 minutes trying to get a mouse driver to work before I gave up and wiped the disk.
Back in those days Linux could happily fry your CRT if you weren't careful.
What fun
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I agree mostly with OG.
However what I also would like to point out.
It really depends on what you are using your computer for. If your just browsing the web you're fine with Linux.
But how many professional/business applications do you now that are supported on Linux? Replace MS Office with Open/LibreOffice? -> Yeah, the documents look EXACTLY like the orignal... Are you playing games on the computer? -> have fun with the indie games...
Switching to Windows when you need application x? I don't think that it's very productive if you have to boot windows 5 times a day because you need that certain program for doing y. I want one OS for all. And if it starts to slow down investing 1 day per 2 years reinstalling Windows is not that big of a deal in my opinion.
I admit I haven't used a Linux OS for 2-3 years now, so I don't know if this is still true, but last time I used it I can't really say that the Graphical UI felt very responsive, in truth I felt it was rather sluggish from the start (like a windows after 5 years ). In addition there is a lot of hardware where you won't ever find a Linux driver for. Support is always Windows and probably MacOS.
Linux is probably best for the old and the weak computers where you can't do a lot anyways
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Nicholas Marty wrote: Linux is probably best for the old and the weak computers where you can't do a lot anyways
Where "old" = >18 months, and "weak" - less than 4GB physical memory.
Maybe I'm strange, but I always want operating systems that allow me to use hardware and resources, not that consume most of it.
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It may be just me but I want operating systems that make use of the hardware and may consume some little part of it instead of not making use of the resources at all.
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I can only partly agree with that.
I don't, for example want the OS to make use of interface devices (mouse/keyboard/monitor/etc), I want it just to enable me to use them, but it will obviously need disc and memory space -- but it should consume as little as possible; just enough to enable me to use the machine.
"Wow-factor" OSes need not apply.
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Nicholas Marty wrote: But how many professional/business applications do you now that are supported on Linux?
Tons of them. How many do you know that aren't?
Nicholas Marty wrote: Replace MS Office with Open/LibreOffice? -> Yeah, the documents look EXACTLY like the orignal...
Nevermind crossover, or wine. The new MS office supports the open document format. I acutally open Libre docs in windows office and it does just fine. Also, you can get online document suits now that will handle this stuff. Some clients of ours use google docs for our ms office stuff all the time.
Nicholas Marty wrote: Are you playing games on the computer? -> have fun with the indie games...
Not exactly true. I used to be very good at setting up games in wine. Especially now with mono. There are other options as well, if you know the tools available to you.
Nicholas Marty wrote: Switching to Windows when you need application x? I don't think that it's very productive if you have to boot windows 5 times a day because you need that certain program for doing y. I want one OS for all.
You should look into some of the available virtualization tools. This is not OS specific either. You should at least know the tools available if you want to do these types of things. Even in mac i have seen visual studio icon get double clicked and run in a vm as if it were a native application.
Nicholas Marty wrote: In addition there is a lot of hardware where you won't ever find a Linux driver for.
I've not seen this as the case. I used to run linux on bleeding edge hardware all the time. I have had to compile some drivers, and use some beta's, but I've not ever seen hardware I couldn't get working. Also, the linux kernel has grown in both it's own source, and community support, in the last few years. Might have something to do with MS contributing as well.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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There are a couple of reasons for that:
1. once upon a time Windows was pretty crap, Linux was crap too, but IT HAD potential, look, I can modify the kernel!
Since then Microsoft had a security and performance initiative and performance and security of the latest Microsoft OS is outstanding...
2. Never under estimate the emotional power of recompiling your kernel.
Once people do that, they know they are THAT close to have a winner in the OS war. Make way for their OS!!!
3. An open source OS is quite a good source of innovation, Kindle, MacOSX! (from FreeBSD), Android handsets, Steam box, where all things enabled by open source OS!!
It allow tinkerer to power devices beyond what they could have done with Windows....
4. Finally you have to recognize you have to thanks all those silly competitor's claim for making Windows the outstanding product that it is today!
By that I mean MS is doing a good job at competing, not so much at innovating on its own. A good example is Windows Mobile vs Windows Phone, C# vs Java!
modified 25-Sep-13 7:39am.
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From what I've seen of the Linux community, there's an order of magnitude fewer lines of bitchin' code than of just bitchin'.
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Microsoft is never badly late on their Innovations. It just gets a couple of weeks delayed after Google/Apple release the same
A real hard work and good new thinking is needed to turn the tablets.
Your message is neat btw
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: Your message is neat btw
Thanks, I think my communication skills are on the increase!
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I think the meme sums it up about right
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This is funny![^]
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Looks like the person who designed the linked web page hasn't needed to reinstall Linux since '95 because the page looks as though it were put together in '95.
I've tried a few of the flavors of Linux over the years, mainly for music recording. Trouble was that several of the Linux installs didn't support the hardware I was using. And the cobbled together driver hacks didn't work all that well or wouldn't allow me to use all of the channels available on my audio card.
I've never had that problem with Windows. Not that it has always been smooth sailing but I have been able to get it up and running.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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S Houghtelin wrote: Looks like the person who designed the linked web page hasn't needed to reinstall Linux since '95 because the page looks as though it were put together in '95.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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My view is different tools for different jobs....
Windows office tasks (Word, Excel, Access), Linux controlling things (Android etc (Windows Real Time Kernel, come on!)), Apple art & music, No one system has overall control on one thing you can do nearly everything as well on all platforms but certain things are easier on one rather than the other. My view (wrong usually but...)
Glenn
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At this point what I'll give linux is the ability to tune your installation exactly as you need it, with a level of granularity Microsoft simply can't give you. You can include/exclude features and options to your hearts content.
But the slashdot religious perspective is just laughable at this point.
I find development easier on Linux just because I've been a unix guy for the last 25 years or so. But my primary machine is Win8, because sometimes I just want to use something without having to screw with it endlessly.
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Vunic wrote: As I was curious to know why people brag about Linux' "performance & Stability".
Same reasons some people claim their sports team is better than all others.
Same reasons some people hate one specific sports team.
Vunic wrote: In Linux , Applications never crash.
Absolutely false.
Vunic wrote: Linux don't need drivers? [^] - This is misleading
Correct because it isn't true.
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{FFC01FB9-F42E-4742-A786-01E6A19A9603}
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The signature is in building process.. Please wait...
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Its a guid. Or else a unique id of a class or interface which can be used though COM.
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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That much we know, but it's not present on the machine I'm sitting at, and gets zero google results, so I (and probably others) have no way of knowing what it's for.
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So it's unintelligible to all but the OP. Fairly typical.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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I'm hoping that it's a baby-block destroyer for Windows 'ate.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: it's not present on the machine I'm sitting at
And the probability of having one would be about 50% if every person on earth owns 600 million GUIDs.
..Go Green..
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I think you may be missing a few factors in your equation.
i.e. some GUIDs are somewhat more ubiquitous than others.
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