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I'm not a lawyer either, but a quick read of the Eclipse license (and sever cups of coffee - legalese turns my brain to mush) says that they can't do that:
A Contributor may choose to distribute the Program in object code form under its own license agreement, provided that:
a) it complies with the terms and conditions of this Agreement; and
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iv) states that source code for the Program is available from such Contributor, and informs licensees how to obtain it in a reasonable manner on or through a medium customarily used for software exchange.
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Contributors may not remove or alter any copyright notices contained within the Program.
Removing your branding (i.e. copyright notices) and support links would seem to be a clear violation of the license terms.
But...whenever lawyers get involved, the only people I've noticed who actually win are...the lawyers.
I think you have to decide how much effort you are prepared to put into defending this, in terms of time, cost, and effort - it's rarely trivial!
BTW: Cheers for ToDoList - good piece of software, I use it (in binary form, downloaded from your article here)
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Thx OG, he's since pulled his version after I escalated the conflict.
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To begin congratulations for what is a very successful piece of software. Nearly 19 million views and 300k downloads is amazing.
The idea that a very useful piece of software can be wrapped by a third party who then distributes it taking a credit for it's utility while directing any support elsewhere seems quite unfair. If that support also includes dealing with problems of their creation then that's bad.
I'd be very miffed if it were me. On reading the Eclipse agreement however it appears to be an unforseen if predictable situation. You granting the license and the form in which the recipient must use it is a classic deadlock.
It seems as a party to the agreement you cannot ask them to remove your contribution nor can they "fork" and create a branch removing copyright notices. Actually if they did this they would be in breach of the agreement which it seems in 7.3 would result in the termination of their rights.
It seems up to you and Eclipse at this point. I really hope you find a satisfactory solution.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 15-Mar-14 9:26am.
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Thx for your support, he's since pulled his version after I escalated the conflict.
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Dan, I understand your frustration.
As I understand it, the Eclipse license grants others "a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to reproduce ... in object code form.". To me, this implies someone can package the compiled version of your app and do what they will with it - i.e. give it away, sell it, or include it as a value-add to something else they're selling. What nobody can do is alter or remove the copyright.
I've often been asked to open source WeatherMate[^] and TakeStock 2[^] but refuse to do so because I don't want to be exploited by others who may create derivate works of these products.
/ravi
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
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Thx for your support, he's since pulled his version after I escalated the conflict.
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That's a good outcome. Glad it ended up that way.
/ravi
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.dan.g. wrote: A while ago I decided that the support calls were more than I wanted so I asked PA to take my software off their site. They said no, their wrapper couldn't be a problem, blah, blah, blah
Refer all the support calls to PA saying that, because you are not experiencing these problems in any other distribution, it is their wrapper that is causing the problem.
Better yet only provide an email address with an automatic answer stating this, giving their email address and telephone number, so you don't have to get involved.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Thx for your support, he's since pulled his version after I escalated the conflict.
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I am happy it worked out well for you.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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In the interest of transparency: http://portableapps.com/node/39435[^]. Added to the PortableApps Repository by AbstractSpoon in 2009 http://portableapps.com/node/20408[^].
While I don't have the details about how this entire thing took place, I hope this at least shows some transparanecy. I am not affiliated with PortableApps I do use the product so was wanting some further information as it sounded odd that it would even have to be "aired" in public like this.
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Indeed.
Dealing with him was even weirder.
He felt that renaming and rebranding ToDoList was ethical under the Eclipse license (legal yes, ethical no).
But ultimately he found that he had taken a position that was untenable, so going public is his way of saving face instead of just admitting he got it badly wrong.
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As you have released your code free they can redistribute it (bad idea IMO).
However, they cannot replace your name or re-brand without your consent, this is copyright infringement.
You have rights of copyright on your works and can set a legal case that you WILL win.
DO NOT accept the spiel and BS they are giving , it is not based on fact but an attempt to bully you into
accepting their T&Cs. DO NOT give up the licensing you have worked long and hard for.
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Happy Holi to all members of the CP.
Enjoy weekend and Lets play Holi.
modified 15-Mar-14 2:57am.
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Happy Holi to all our Indian friends. Now is the time I wish I could have been in India!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous ----- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944 ----- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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Hi,
Happy Holi to you too
With friendly greetings,
Eric Goedhart
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Upside: Bacon
Downside: Pennsylvania
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous ----- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944 ----- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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Don't forget to clean your teeth before going: http://www.baconfreak.com/bacon-dental-floss.html[^]
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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A bit amateur-hour, that.
I've spent 2 hours trying to work out why things work great for 5 page views and then die a horrible death-by-timeout for every cache call.
Several hundred lines of extra logging calls and there it was: the connection pool was being exhausted because I wasn't using a using statement.
But of course the kicker is that the original error message telling me that it was a connection pool issue had been staring me in the face all that time
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Sh*t happens
A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new
-Einstein, Albert
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