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1. Desktop
2. Mobile (-46)
3. Mainframe (-14)
Does it mean we are an old community, or that all the hype over mobile not real?
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Mobile is real.
If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry. Try having fun instead of killing yourself, "trying" to keep up with those that are younger, smarter, and require less sleep then you do. Yes, we are wise, but that really doesn't mean sh*t, now does it?
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That was cheerful, really... 
Slacker007 wrote: require less sleep then you do
Less then 4 hours a day? I have coworkers of ~25 that cant' get in before 10...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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You asked a question, and I answered it. How would you have liked me to answer it?
No, we are not too old. Yes, we are too old. Perhaps, we are too old.
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I would never have guessed you were that old.
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I better make the most of the next 5 months then 
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Not really. There are two industries inside our industry. One is a lottery and the other one is knowledge based.
Lottery are shining web thingies and mobile apps. Products that, given sufficient supply of coke, coffee, and weeks, can be replicated by any group of students, anywhere. It's a lottery because you have to be on the right place in the right time to succeed. There is only one Twitter, even if the underlying app is less than impressive. Its capital today is the content crowd, not the app.
And than there are things that random groups of students can't replicate. In years. Because they are just too hard. Like DBMS servers, rockets, self-driving cars, pacemakers, etc.
Hence ... if you want a long lasting career in programming ... you have to grow out of the lottery stuff. My 0.05£.
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Well Said Tomaz; But I want to add to your list, "business applications" a lot of these shining web/mobile things, actually don't process anything or do anything, they just look pretty 
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Slacker007 wrote: If you are over 35, you are too old for this industry
Agist prick.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Reminds me of this quote. "To be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid."
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I like that. I was once young and stupid and full of myself. At my current age, two out of three ain't bad.
I was going to use the old standard, "age and treachery overcomes youth and skill", but I thought simpler was better.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Somehow, I hadn't heard that one. Nice. I am getting older and wiser as "we speak".
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I couldn't find an attribution for it; it seems to have been around for quite a while.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Sounds like a Roman politician could have said it once. In Latin, of course.
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Courtesy of Google Translate: "fraudis solertia vincit aetate iuventus".
Software Zen: delete this;
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Interesting, I am 46 years old. How does that work? Am I an agist prick if I am under 35 and just a prick if I am over 35?
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Your comment states that if you are over the age of 35, you have no place in this industry. I disagree.
I am 56 years old. I have been on the receiving end of age-based prejudice in this field more than once. I no longer tolerate it.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: you have no place in this industry.
and I disagree as well. I think I was trying to be a bit dramatic to emphasize a point.
Gary Wheeler wrote: I have been on the receiving end of age-based prejudice in this field more than once.
So have I.
Gary Wheeler wrote: I no longer tolerate it.
There really is nothing you can do about it, really. You can't force someone to hire you, or promote you because you are 56 years old, and you no longer tolerate it....which is part of the point of my initial post.
Cheers. 
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I am 63 years old, have been a developer since the 70's, and probably will be writing code when I'm in my 70's (who can afford to retire?). Like you, I will not tolerate age-based prejudice, or any discernible prejudice for that matter. You can take my keyboard (or whatever device I'm working with) when you pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.
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Keep up with the under-35 crowd in software development? At 63, I still run rings around them.
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Sure you do. 
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Most, but not all, of the 35 and under developers I know are great at memorizing and churning out code. But often with little thought to how manageable the code is, how brittle it is, or how OO it is.
There is so much more to software development than coding, though coding well is definitely a must at any age.
What I notice lacking the most is the ability to see, design, and code efficient, reusable, maintainable solutions to the business goals in a given software project. Just code something quick and dirty, throw it out there, hope it passes QA, and then hope you have moved on before the hack you did becomes a maintenance or extension problem. That seems to be a common problem with the 35 and under developers. But fortunately, not all.
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How many trips have you made around the Sun?
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