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PhilLenoir12-Mar-15 3:43

PhilLenoir

12-Mar-15 3:43

I saw the title and I thought we were on another Bloody Stupid Johnson thread.

Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

Slacker00712-Mar-15 4:12

Slacker007

12-Mar-15 4:12

_Maxxx_ wrote:
then had to wait hours because there were several Gigabytes of updates to download.

I'm just curious, how should Microsoft have handled the pushing out of updates, then? If you need the updates, how should Microsoft do this, so that users are not upset with them?...not push out updates or just make sure updates are under 50mb?

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just don't understand how this is Microsoft's fault. Sigh | :sigh:

_Maxxx_12-Mar-15 19:23

_Maxxx_

12-Mar-15 19:23

Well, I don't mind HAVING to install updates that are important - but I don't get the choice - start up a new XBox & it tells me I have to apply updates - apparently no choices of which - so it is probably updating stuff for which I have no (immediate) need (like TV watching, for example)

And the size of the updates I am sure exceeds the size of the OS - so they are being lazy - don't patch, replace.

Now this is forgivable on open hardware like a PC - but on an XBOX where they have control over everything, they know (from a very small list) what hardware is there, so don't have to blanket-install stuff - they could , I am sure, make small patches for the 'urgent' fixes and give the option of applying fixes to other parts if and when the user wants to use them

It's like buying a car and not being able to drive it for a day because it needs repairing; if the brakes might fail, then sure, fix it NOW - but if the rear left speaker crackles, hell, I'll book it in for another day!

Also, frankly, requiring a couple of Gb of updates for hardware that is < 1 year old doesn't fill you with confidence that the software was well tested, does it?!

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Slacker00712-Mar-15 23:33

Slacker007

12-Mar-15 23:33

It might also be your internet connection speed.

We just bought our son an XBOX 360, and had set it up last night. The updates only took about 5 minutes. I would think that I had the same updates you did, more or less.

Updates never bothered me. I would rather have the software working, then not working, because no updates were installed or pushed out. I think internet speed has everything to do with how fast an update gets downloaded, obviously.

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According to the customer price is never right...

_Maxxx_13-Mar-15 0:09

_Maxxx_

13-Mar-15 0:09

From memory the Xbox one updates were just under 2gb - though I could be wrong. The game updates were more like 4gb.
If you can dowoad 2gb in 5 mins I M envious!!!

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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter11-Mar-15 12:11

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

11-Mar-15 12:11

http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/03/11/why-so-expensive/[^]

Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

Re: According to the customer price is never right...

Mark_Wallace11-Mar-15 12:22

Mark_Wallace

11-Mar-15 12:22

That's the same argument that lawyers give.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Re: According to the customer price is never right...

Chris Quinn11-Mar-15 22:46

Chris Quinn

11-Mar-15 22:46

Used in a famous court case between John Ruskin and James McNeill Whistler in 1878:

John Ruskin: "The labour of two days is that for which you ask two hundred guineas?"
Whistler: "No. I ask it for the knowledge I have gained in the work of a lifetime."

Whistler v. Ruskin (1878)

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Re: According to the customer price is never right...

Rage12-Mar-15 1:50

Rage

12-Mar-15 1:50

Copy & Paste from Leslie's notebook:

Ever heard the story of the giant ship engine that failed? The ship's owners tried one expert after another, but none of them could figure but how to fix the engine. Then they brought in an old man who had been fixing ships since he was a youngster. He carried a large bag of tools with him, and when he arrived, he immediately went to work. He nspected the engine very carefully, top to bottom.

Two of the ship's owners were there, watching this man, hoping he would know what to do. After looking things over, the old man reached into his bag and pulled out a small hammer. He gently tapped something. Instantly, the engine lurched into life. He carefully put his hammer away. The engine was fixed! A week later, the owners received a bill from the old man for ten thousand dollars.

"What?!" the owners exclaimed. "He hardly did anything!"

So they wrote the old man a note saying, "Please send us an itemized bill."

The man sent a bill that read:

Tapping with a hammer .........................       $ 2.00
Knowing where to tap ............................ $ 9,998.00

Effort is important, but knowing where to make an effort in your life makes all the difference.

Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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R. Giskard Reventlov11-Mar-15 10:58

R. Giskard Reventlov

11-Mar-15 10:58

Suddenly, I find myself with 2 17" monitors.

I should be happy that I have 2 of them. Frown | :(

Don't ask.

Sander Rossel11-Mar-15 11:11

Sander Rossel

11-Mar-15 11:11

Read that as 217" monitors, now that would've been pretty sweet Laugh | :laugh:

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz11-Mar-15 11:17

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

11-Mar-15 11:17

I'm guessing you have a new job.

#SupportHeForShe

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JMK-NI11-Mar-15 11:25

JMK-NI

11-Mar-15 11:25

Wow! Time to dust off that CV!

Super Lloyd11-Mar-15 14:57

Super Lloyd

11-Mar-15 14:57

I got 2 26" at home! Big Grin | :-D

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Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

_Maxxx_11-Mar-15 16:20

_Maxxx_

11-Mar-15 16:20

I've got a 12 incher - but I don't use it as a rule

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newton.saber11-Mar-15 9:34

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

11-Mar-15 9:34

I'm reading a book which is even better than I expected it to be:
Talk Like TED: The 9 Public-Speaking Secrets of the World's Top Minds (amazon link)[^]

I love TED Talks anyways, because so often they make me think about some subject in an entirely new way.

The book is great, because it reminds you that if you can talk about something you probably really understand it. Or, another way of saying it: if you really know something you can probably speak clearly about it and explain it.

Absolutely important to developing software.
Have you read the book? Do you like TED Talks?

Slacker00711-Mar-15 9:46

Slacker007

11-Mar-15 9:46

I just started watching TED talks, like last week. Interesting stuff. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter11-Mar-15 9:59

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

11-Mar-15 9:59

Most of TED talks are very good - you can learn a lot of things in various subjects. I do watch one in every week...

Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

Eddy Vluggen11-Mar-15 10:17

Eddy Vluggen

11-Mar-15 10:17

newton.saber wrote:
Have you read the book?

Not yet.

newton.saber wrote:
Do you like TED Talks?

Yup. This one[^] is my current favorite.

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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

newton.saber11-Mar-15 10:19

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

11-Mar-15 10:19

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
This one[^] is my current favorite.

Adding that one to my watch list.
Thanks.

Duncan Edwards Jones11-Mar-15 10:23

Duncan Edwards Jones

11-Mar-15 10:23

I'm a big fan of TED and also the RSA Animate[^] series (some of which come from the same talks)... re-imagining work[^] is a particular favourite.

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

newton.saber11-Mar-15 10:26

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

11-Mar-15 10:26

Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
also the RSA Animate[^] series

Yes, I've seen those on TED also and they are great.
Didn't know about that site though. Thanks.

Sander Rossel11-Mar-15 10:34

Sander Rossel

11-Mar-15 10:34

Never heard of TED Talks... Looks interesting.
Public speaking isn't my strongest point... Even when I know the subject. Even when it's just about my day. And even when I picture the audience naked Laugh | :laugh:

I'd love to work on it, but I'm not much in a situation where I have to speak publicly (last time was at school, that didn't go so well...).

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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability.
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Regards,
Sander

Re: Creativity: If you can talk about it, you probably can

newton.saber11-Mar-15 11:19