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As a child in the early 1960s I lived in a hostel where we were served raw milk. In the rural parts where we were, pasteurization was still not common. Yes, I survived, but we seemed to develop digestive tract infections more commonly than kids today. Why run the risk of some serious tummy ailments?
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I didn't say that I would do it today or to my kids, but than, that was the only milk we had (lived in a farm outside of everything)...I can't remember people got ill or died of it, but I was only a kid...
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Yes, I believe we are in agreement. 
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Cornelius Henning wrote: 1960s
That's the key difference. Farmers were not pumping their cows full of steroids and hormones like they do today.
However, even today, there are lot of small farms around where I live that sell raw milk. It's no big deal. But these farmers don't shoot their cows up. 
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I'm afraid you are going off-topic. The issue is whether you should pasteurize milk to get rid of pathogens, like undesirable bacteria. Hormones and antibiotics are a separate issue that has nothing to do with pasteurization.
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Cornelius Henning wrote: I'm afraid you are going off-topic.
Not at all.
Quote: to expose (a food, as milk, cheese, yogurt, beer, or wine) to an elevated temperature for a period of time sufficient to destroy certain microorganisms, as those that can produce disease or cause spoilage or undesirable fermentation of food, without radically altering taste or quality.
Hormones and steroids add to those "certain microorganisms, that can produce disease."
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Let's agree to differ: You can drink your milk raw, and I will only take pasteurized milk, and we both will be happy.
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I don't think they do it at all in Mexico. I remember the milk tasting very weird and they could leave it unrefrigerated for a long time.
Yes, I know they have stomach problems but that is more from the water. 
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Haha, grew up on a dairy farm for a few year, me and the cats got warm raw milk every morning. The old man used to hand milk and the cats would line up for a shot direct from the teat, funniest cat thing you have ever seen, he was not very accurate, on purpose!
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Seems to be missing the step where they arbitrarily mess with how shows are listed/sorted 
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In March of 2012, 19-month-old Ezekiel Stephan died of meningitis — a disease involving the inflammation of the membranes surrounding your brain and spinal cord. Very serious problem. The condition can sometimes be treated with antibiotics or antiviral drugs, but even then, it’s a longshot for full recovery.
In a bid to boost his immune system, the couple gave the boy — who was lethargic and becoming stiff — various home remedies, such as water with maple syrup, juice with frozen berries and finally a mixture of apple cider vinegar, horse radish root, hot peppers, mashed onion, garlic and ginger root as his condition deteriorated.
Per-lease? This is yet more evidence of the need to licence parents!
disclosure we do often have a garlic/ginger/honey/lemon mixture to boost the immune system, and it seems to work, but not in lieu of medicine.
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Parents like these should be criminally liable for the death of their child!
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What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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Quote: a friend told the couple their son had meningitis
Would you take your child to the hospital just because some friend diagnosed your child?
We might want to slow down on the judgement a bit.
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Quote: Would you take your child to the hospital just because some friend diagnosed your child?
No, but if my child shows signs of something as serious a meningitis, I would rush him/her to a proper doctor! The parents have no excuse!
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Cornelius Henning wrote: but if my child shows signs of something as serious a meningitis
Here are most of the symptoms:
Quote: Fever
Severe, persistent headache
Neck stiffness and pain that makes it difficult to touch your chin to your chest
Nausea and vomiting
Confusion and disorientation (acting "goofy")
Drowsiness or sluggishness
Sensitivity to bright light
Poor appetite
Kids get sick like this all the time. One problem kids immune systems have these days is that parents overreact and put their kids on antibiotics for everything. The kids immune system can't get stronger. Just saying.
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Quote: Kids get sick like this all the time
Really? Neck stiffness, confusion, vomiting, disorientation, etc. etc. If your child shows these signs and that is not enough for an urgent call to a doctor, what in heaven's name is required before you take a child for a professional opinion?
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I don't take my child to the doctor when they sneeze. Although, when I lived in Mexico, anytime I sneezed, even once, people would ask if I was getting sick. So, I understand everyone has their own threshold.
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No, but I would take said child if they were "lethargic and becoming stiff".
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jeron1 wrote: lethargic and becoming stiff".
How do you tell that a 19 month old is stiff? What does that even mean? Usually that happens during rigor mortis.
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A 19 month old is very mobile, and motion (mostly running) is almost constant while they are awake. What it means, in my non-MD opinion, is there's potentially a neurological problem. In any case, better safe than sorry.
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jeron1 wrote: better safe than sorry.
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That's why you consult a doctor.
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At what point? What does stiffness in a 19 month old look like?
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RyanDev wrote: How do you tell that a 19 month old is stiff?
What they actually said was that he was starting to watch Kevin McCarthy speeches without throwing up.
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