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I am sooo glad I never had to use a line editor. While some of my classmates were using EDT (?) in line mode, the cool kids showed me how to use TECO in screen mode (this was on a PDP-11).
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mmm, good old days, PDP 11/60 RSTS/E, OMSI Pascal, (?Variant)BASIC
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Garth J Lancaster wrote: (?Variant)BASIC
BASIC-PLUS is what I first learned on a PDP-11. Then some form of Pascal also on a PDP-11. Most of my college work was in VAX Pascal.
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Holy sh*t! I completely forgot about that from my PDP-11/44 days back in school. It was far better than using the line printer terminals, but in those COBOL days, anything was better than sitting there writing it out on paper.
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Also glad I never had to do that. The 80s was a great time to begin using computers.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I'm not going to help you
Me think he is doing us a favor here!  
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Because "succeed" is not in their dictionary?
Hey, what's the past tense of "succeed"?
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In this case because it's an entire book series[^]
The books are about 100 pages long, hence the "Succinct" part 
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You are NOT allowed to walk up to him and push his head through the nearest partition. However if you don't get into a pissing contest with him you may find yourself writing client code for that crap, after all he is try to sell the idea to managers!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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At the next meeting slip something in his drink.
When he's knocked out cold take out his organs shave his beard.
When the Lin-Uxorcism is complete enjoy your C# project 
Seriously though, don't you just hate it when people get all religious about their technology?
The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple. That friggin iPhone doesn't even know lower case letters on its keyboard.
NO LOWER CASE LETTERS! 
It's waaaaay overpriced for a phone that doesn't know lower case letters...
Anyway, don't give in to the Linux guy!
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You have to give it to Apple though, they know how to do simple[^]! 
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Excellent!
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"I am not going to help you", that's the sort of can-do attitude that is the very foundation of every successful team
Try Grapple for Android, it has a naked pixel guy in it!
Also, loads of blood and some snakes.
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/ravi
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As someone who started with the command line, (indeed, had to flip the switches on the front panel in the right order to boot the computer) I think I can say that the IDE is a massive improvement in ease of use, productivity, and general all round loveliness.
Just having a debugger that works with your code is superb! Being able to edit your code while it's running is a genuine miracle.
You know what I'm talking about: Intellisense, XML commenting, autocompletion, the whole package.
Yes, there are times when Notepad and a compiler are all you need, but for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA!
I think he's an idiot. Presumably he knows one technology, and assumes it's the best for all environments. Script kiddie indeed...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA
Yes, that's when an IDE becomes helpful. But up until that point it's more of a hindrance. (In my opinion.)
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The Linux guy is wrong. He doesn't have to install Visual Studio or an IDE. He can use his favorite text editor to author C# code and run csc from the command line.
/ravi
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+5
I'm shocked it took this long for someone to resist the urge to flame the heathen and point out the obvious.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Reminds me of the "medic" who insisted on decorating his hallway through the letter box.
Pride is closely related to fear.
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The day that Django/Python can do what LINQ can do in C# and the processing that I do in C# for a drone project I am building, then that day I will believe this
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"I have to actually install Visual Studio"
Er....Doesn't he have to install the Python environment? (Plus all the add on libraries for mathematics and image manipulation etc.) All the right versions installed in the right order. Otherwise they don't work. If there's a problem he can always sit there for weeks looking through the source code. Looking through the source code of all that stuff is enough to convince anybody that it is not something you should be wasting your time on. Believe me.
I did this the other way around. I left 'cos I refused to struggle any more with their antiquated Python command line rubbish. I wanted to work with C# and an IDE
The only crime people like that commit is they think they are cleverer than everybody else. They think they know it all. They have long since stopped learning. They then waste their lives tangling themselves up in knots working with first principles stuff in an ever increasingly complex world. This is their crime. This is also their punishment. The only problem I have, is that it's always me that ends up looking for a new job.
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