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Considering they are a religious organization the complete lack of understanding of science is not surprising.
If you want to take an experiment and make them clean it up, Google for "Elephant Toothpaste". It's easy and you already have everything you need.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Considering they are a religious organization the complete lack of understanding of science
I was thinking the same thing.
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I think you should perhaps be directing your ire at the individual leader here. The 'organization' produces a detailed list of suggested experiments, projects and resources for leaders supervising the badge and it looks more than sufficiently 'sciency' to me.
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My son is in Scouts. Sadly, it's not just one leader, though you are correct, I should have directed it just at that one person. In my experience with the leaders I've interacted with, the misunderstanding of the concepts of science goes much further than a few of them.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Considering they are a religious organization
Not so much in England. This was one of the main things that have noticeably changed since I was a kid there is a lot less emphasis on God. Partly due to other religions and cultures and partly to do with
Northern Europeans shunning religion. At least we still lead the world in one thing 
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PompeyThree wrote: At least we still lead the world in one thing
Warm beer consumption?
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Yes, I forgot that. The secret is to brew it properly in the first place - then you don't need to chill it to disguise the taste of Kangaroo Piss.
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PompeyThree wrote: Yes, I forgot that. The secret is to brew it properly in the first place - then you don't need to chill it to disguise the taste of Kangaroo Piss.
Rubbish. It's cause you live in a dirty, dingey, cold little country where you need to drink everything hot to stave off frostbite.
If you live here in God's Country, it's warmer here in winter than you get in summer. So we have to drink everything bloody cold just so we don't burst in to flames.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote: God's Country,
Now we're back to the original point that Northern Europes moved on where as the rest of you haven't.
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anything science = tipotalogy
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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I've read, heard etc. a few times scientists saying that they thing the origin of life on Earth was a single event.
Do they mean, really, a single event? like everything descends from one, single original organism, or are they talking about multiple events at one time?
If the former - well, obviously the chances of life starting are significantly lower than if the latter ...
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All life so far discovered is descended from a single source. This does not mean that there never was a precursor that might have become life had this common ancestor not come along.
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Your evidence being .... ?
Why would the building blocks of DNA be any different to any other chemical formed upon Earth? It is inconceivable that the formation of reproducible DNA did not occur at many places at many times. As a result it is extremely unlikely that life as we know it (Jim) has but a single source.
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Your evidence being .... ? What you portray as 'inconceivable' is entirely conceivable by others making your evidence your personal opinion.
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I stated my evidence already. Precedent. Unless your are claiming that there is some divine element to the creation of DNA it is merely chemistry. As we know of no other chemical process which has occurred literally uniquely on this planet there is no reason whatever to support the claim that this particular one did. If it is not literally inconceivable it is bordering on infinitely improbable.
Not that the argument that conceivability equals possibility has much going for it in any case. Isn't that what creationists use in defence of the accuracy of Genesis? Creation by God is not inconceivable so doesn't that make all that evolution stuff merely an opinion by your argument? Unless, of course, that's what you were trying for?
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Member 9082365 wrote: I stated my evidence already. Precedent. Unless your are claiming that there is some divine element to the creation of DNA it is merely chemistry. As we know of no other chemical process which has occurred literally uniquely on this planet there is no reason whatever to support the claim that this particular one did. If it is not literally inconceivable it is bordering on infinitely improbable.
It's not that the creation of DNA necessarily happened once, but that we *only* have DNA. If life arose multiple times, the odds of each of those origins using the same set of molecules seems unlikely. Thus, the usual conclusion that the event only happened once.
Of course, multiple sets of chemical systems like DNA-RNA-protein may have happened, but that none of the life currently ... alive ... uses it. So again, everything alive today came from the "single" origin.
TTFN - Kent
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I'm no expert in this area, but to say that life started at a single point in a single place seems a bit unlikely to me. Thinking about how large the planet is with many diverse environments, could one single flicker of life have spread so far and wide (if that's actually what they mean)?
My money would be on multiple events happening all around the world over a reasonably long period of time, but hey, what do I know?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: could one single flicker of life have spread so far and wide
Well, humans started in a small region of Africa, and we've been to the moon.
A single life source had a spectacularly long time to spread out, particularly if it had no competition and could reproduce itself - look at the ChessBoard Problem[^] for an example of just 64 generations.
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Like I said, I'm no expert, but what seems more logical to you?
a) Life is extremely difficult to start off, bu somehow a single "messiah" lifeform came into existence all by itself and evolved into every single living thing on the planet (bacteria, trees, humans, flies, etc) - capable of living in every environment from the deepest parts of the sea to the highest altitude, and the ability to survive in temperatures from -100C to +70C.. or,
b) Life is relatively easy to start off and it did so around the planet in forms already capable of surviving (by necessity) in the locality it happened to live in and evolved from there.
b) sounds a lot more feasible than a) to me, but hey-ho, I'm just a programmer
It's like asking where did wheels come from - did one guy invent the wheel and export it worldwide, or did many different people come up with the same solution to the problem of moving things around?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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c). God created the earth.
I go with c. 
It's much more logical that something created the earth and the inhabitants of it than having life spring forth out of nothing.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Quote: c). God created the earth
But then what created the creator? How did a being capable of creating all matter and existence come to be? Something with such complexity would demand even more explanation than something very simple coming into existence.
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Dominic Burford wrote: But then what created the creator?
Good question.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Ok, I'll own up: it was me!
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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No need for a creator creator - it's turtles all the way down!
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