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raddevus wrote: Not even a little jQuery?
jQuery is fine. I've even occasionally throw in some knockout, I've been forced to use backbone (not all that bad of an experience), still need to investigate vue.js, won't touch angular, and do a lot of with Bootstrap and jQWidgets.
So, I'd say I'm definitely at least a shade of grey. 
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Aurelia for my HTML layer, with C#/MVC running on core 2 providing nothing more than a json/rest api is my drug these days.
If I want something like a date/version in my page, I just add a simple ajax call to grab a bit of json from a simple light controller (usually 4 or 5 lines) and add it into the footer class in my front end master template, and hey presto, all automagic 
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Peter Shaw wrote: Aurelia
Aurelia looks interesting. It really is a free-for-all out there though when it comes to Javascript frameworks. 
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Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Couldn't agree more Marc, which is why I stick with Aurelia these days.
It's 3yrs old now, stable, very mature and not going anywhere soon.
It might not have the hype, marketing and glory that the Likes or Angular, Vue & React have (Basically Goggles and/or Facebork), but it is maintained by a principle program manager at MS, and is included in the MS Dotnet Core command line SPA templates.
As for the free for all... hell where not even out of January yet, and I'm already aware of 4 new JS application frameworks... sigh
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I can't help but think that once I've gotten a job doing MVC, someone at Microsoft will have a monstrous bowel movement, and they'll pushing new sh|t down our throats...
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Geez Louise! I'll stick with WinForms, myself. 5 or 6 lines of code (depending on how you fetch the last edit date, obviously) max. Even on a WebForm it's pretty simple. Adding to list of technologies to avoid: MVC. Got it.
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If you think that's fun, you should try implementing OpenId using Nancy and OWin - I've spent the entire week learning how to implement OpenID authentication in a web app, and after almost a dozen sample projects ended up building a library to simplify everything. Some of the obstacles faced:
- The System.IdentityModel.Tokens.Jwt library had an object that other libraries depend on for JWT tokens, but they removed the object almost a year ago, and to this date still haven't brought back, forcing you to use a 'fairly old' version of their library in order to support the dependency, and also forcing you to use the older versions of all of its dependent libraries. DLL hell, in short.
- You have to use the 'old' Graph API code to interact with Azure AD B2C if you want to retrieve information about users, groups, group membership, etc.. I say 'old' because everything in Azure is set up to use Microsoft Graph - well, everything except Azure AD B2C.
So, shameless plug, I've drastically simplified the process in this handy-dandy repo here:
https://github.com/endpointsystems/Nancy.Owin.Security.MSGraph[^]
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Nice book out there on OpenID Connection by Vittorio Bertocci.
"Modern Authentication with Azure Active Directory for Web Applications"
Examples actually work. First chapter has MVC example.
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They might work with Active Directory but in my experience, they only get you so far. There are many differences between the products and with Microsoft Graph coming online and maturing, the differences are only getting greater. The book does help understand the trajectory, but the point really boils back down to - Microsoft really could be making things easier for all of us.
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They did make it easier with ASP.NET WebForms. However, many developers want to be cool and use a more complex implementation with ASP.NET MVC.
Such developers wanted more control over your HTML and additional complexity comes with it.
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If it's impeccable, is it chicken proof?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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If I don't get it, is it beekause I am birdened by fowl thoughts?
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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don't let OG egg you on then.
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What a fowl repost of my yoke above!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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It took some craw for Ornithological Gizzard to post that. Feather we like it or not. I chicked around, trying to get a gander as to just hen you started this.
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You could say that, but personally, I beak to differ! 
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deep space is so violent.
it's a wonder it hasn't been banned yet.
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Violent? Every single atom in your body heavier than hydrogen was cooked up in some star that has exploded.
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Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer.
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Violence is as American as apple pie. Now if space were sexy...
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
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A supernova that occured only 600 lj away? That's very close.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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Pretty! 
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Writing a good manual is an art and I took a look at the following historic example I found online. After all, I have worked with similar devices. Most of you will probably not be able to read the text, but the sections about fueling up (and the dangers of the three sorts of fuel) or the section about how to set up the ignition give me the creeps, especially because of the forced humor throughout the entire manual. Just look at the illustrations.
Read the manual before making any attempt to use the device[^]
I expected everything from rocket science for dummies to dry military drill, but not this.
Edit: Why are there penguins on the front cover?
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