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Re: Ding-Dong !

Jörgen Andersson5-Oct-21 0:58

Jörgen Andersson

5-Oct-21 0:58

A chat program.

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

Re: Ding-Dong !

OriginalGriff5-Oct-21 1:03

OriginalGriff

5-Oct-21 1:03

Starts with hardware, then becomes software, I understand.

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Re: Ding-Dong !

OriginalGriff5-Oct-21 1:04

OriginalGriff

5-Oct-21 1:04

You're clearly more experienced with this than I - I didn't know they even had a chat function! Unsure | :~

Re: Ding-Dong !

Jörgen Andersson5-Oct-21 1:05

Jörgen Andersson

5-Oct-21 1:05

They have anything else?

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

Re: Ding-Dong !

Richard Deeming5-Oct-21 1:06

Richard Deeming

5-Oct-21 1:06

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
That would be a huge blow ...

Wouldn't that be a good thing for them? $Shucks | :-\$

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- Homer

Re: Ding-Dong !

BillWoodruff5-Oct-21 7:20

BillWoodruff

5-Oct-21 7:20

Richard Deeming wrote:
good thing for them?

if the punters weren't just paying lip-service, i think so. OMG | :OMG:

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

Re: Ding-Dong !

Daniel Pfeffer5-Oct-21 8:36

Daniel Pfeffer

5-Oct-21 8:36

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Pornhub's

Is that something like github? Asking for a friend...

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

Re: Ding-Dong !

Mike Hankey5-Oct-21 1:21

Mike Hankey

5-Oct-21 1:21

Oh no Anti-Social media is down, what a shame.

The less you need, the more you have.

Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.

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using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

BillWoodruff4-Oct-21 22:06

BillWoodruff

4-Oct-21 22:06

Are you seeing this ? (bug report i filed today with MS VS dev site)

Quote:
Win 10/64 Microsoft Visual Studio Community 2019 Version 16.11.3
Windows Forms App (.Net Framework)
.NET 5.0 C# 4.8

The outline view is now replaced by a flat text-file that forces you to read through code examples in different languages before finding an example in the language you are working in. Example of what you see now when you click F1 with "UserControl" selected

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.windows.forms.usercontrol?view=net-5.0

The explanatory text is often of poor quality technically; the code examples often flawed, or irrelevant. While VS documentation has been mediocre/confusing/poorly-written/inconsistent since the beginning (and MSDN support utterly useless), at least you could get to a quick outlined summary of essential object attributes ... until now.

I consider this such a serious flaw, that I would now never recommend Visual Studio.

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

Richard MacCutchan4-Oct-21 22:14

Richard MacCutchan

4-Oct-21 22:14

Looks normal to me. The code sample is all C# which accords with my default selection, and I can use the copy widget to get the complete sample. Also I can switch to VB, F# or C++ by using the dropdown at the top of the page.

Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

BillWoodruff4-Oct-21 22:56

BillWoodruff

4-Oct-21 22:56

Thanks, Richard,

Looking at that page with Chrome, no ad-blocker, the language filtering selection drop-down appears, but contains no drop-down items.

Examples shown in C/C++, VB, C#. Some examples targeted to other flavors of C# WinForms than Windows Forms App (.Net Framework).

The key issue for me is not being able to quickly go to a specific object's Property, Method, Event, etc. definition, and get the "gist" of it: that's what most of my doc look-up is about.

Hypothesis: a pattern has emerged: you take on the role of "defender" of criticism of MS docs, MSDN. That may mean nothing, or something; i can live with that Smile | :)

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

modified 5-Oct-21 5:09am.

Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

Richard MacCutchan5-Oct-21 0:01

Richard MacCutchan

5-Oct-21 0:01

BillWoodruff wrote:
Chrome, no ad-blocker

Same as me, so no idea why your view is different. I just tried again with the link in your original message and it is still all correct.

Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

BillWoodruff5-Oct-21 0:49

BillWoodruff

5-Oct-21 0:49

Hi,

Are you able to access the old outline view by any other means ?

Did you launch the browser by selecting "UserControl" and F! in a C# 5 enabled project design-time Form view like mine ?

Hypothesis: something to do with Community edition VS ? I used to use Enterprise.

thanks, Bill

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

modified 5-Oct-21 6:59am.

Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

Richard MacCutchan5-Oct-21 1:07

Richard MacCutchan

5-Oct-21 1:07

Sorry Bill, I don't have C# 5 installed.

Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

Eddy Vluggen5-Oct-21 0:47

Eddy Vluggen

5-Oct-21 0:47

Works in Edge; list of fields, methods, and hyperlinks on the right to jump to those sections. Found the language-drop down.

I too like MSDN documentation - remember that it is huge, spanning multiple products, and still it is consistent. DevExpres uses a similar template and then puts a one-line-placeholder text to "fill" the page.

BillWoodruff wrote:
I consider this such a serious flaw, that I would now never recommend Visual Studio.

What would you recommend?

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Re: using WinForms with C# 5 framework 4.8 and using F1 Help does not show outline view ?

BillWoodruff5-Oct-21 0:57

BillWoodruff

5-Oct-21 0:57

Thanks, I'll try it in Edge.

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I too like MSDN documentation... it is consistent.

We must be using different eyeballs.

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
What would you recommend?

Suicide, or, mass-protests to force MS doc teams to get their act together.

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

update: kind of works in Edge

BillWoodruff5-Oct-21 1:08

BillWoodruff

5-Oct-21 1:08

Thanks to Eddy Vluggen, who said that link appears in old outline form in Edge: he's right.

It appears because Edge can't load the C#5.0 version:

Quote:
The requested page is not available for .NET 5. You have been redirected to the newest product version this page is available for.

«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

Re: update: kind of works in Edge

Eddy Vluggen5-Oct-21 1:17

Eddy Vluggen

5-Oct-21 1:17

Yup, also different URL; "view=netframework-4.8&viewFallbackFrom=net-5.0"

I hadn't noticed Big Grin | :-D

I'm going shopping for new eyeballs then Cool | :cool:

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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

CCC 05-10-2021

pkfox4-Oct-21 21:25

pkfox

4-Oct-21 21:25

Reminds me of a car smell (11)

"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

Re: CCC 05-10-2021

Peter_in_27804-Oct-21 21:35

Peter_in_2780

4-Oct-21 21:35

REMINISCENT

RE
MINI
SCENT

Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

Re: CCC 05-10-2021

pkfox4-Oct-21 21:49

pkfox

4-Oct-21 21:49

well done YAUT

"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

Job search algorithms

stoneyowl24-Oct-21 8:07

stoneyowl2

4-Oct-21 8:07

After over a year of 'retirement', I started looking for something to occupy my time - and I find that the newest, greatest job search sites don't seem to pay any attention to the resume I upload. I have received alerts for CDL Truck drivers, Product design engineers, Molecular Biologist (??) and others that do not seem to be relatable to the contents of my resume at all.
Anybody have any recommendations for sites that at least try to be accurate?

Thar's only two possibilities: Thar is life out there in the universe which is smarter than we are, or we're the most intelligent life in the universe. Either way, it's a mighty sobering thought. (Porkypine - via Walt Kelly)

Re: Job search algorithms

OriginalGriff4-Oct-21 8:13

OriginalGriff

4-Oct-21 8:13

I've yet to find any recruiter that has even a clue about the subject(s) he is recruiting for. Or geography for that matter.

I am not commuting 250 miles each way every day, so stop offering me jobs on the other side of the UK ...
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