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A rather fascinating article link below. Quote below particularly caught my eye.
The invisible seafaring industry that keeps the internet afloat[^]
Quote: By having the cable landing stations on either side of the ocean beam light down their end of the line and time the reflections back, they were able to locate the faults nearest to them within a few meters.
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My (company's) code signing certificate expires in less than a month, so over the weekend I intended to renew it. Unbeknownst to me, there are new rules and regulations that prevent the straight download/install/export of a certificate. (for pfx signing) It seems the only options these days are using their keyvault or using a hardware token, both at a cost of course. In fact, the price has almost doubled from just 3 years ago! 
I have no choice but to roll with the changes, I just hope that I don't have to change too much in my current deployment toolchain.  (currently using signtool/pfx)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Is it an EV certificate or just a code signing certificate? I would understand them requiring a token if it's an Extended Validation cert.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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It's just a code signing certificate. Up until this renewal, my CA (DigiCert) has allowed me to simply install the certificate directly into IE/Edge where I can export it to pfx for use on other systems. It seems I now need to either become dependent on them to store/use the private key, or get it shipped on a hardware token, both cost more money and both will require me to alter the custom deployment system. (unless I will have the ability with the hardware token/dongle to create the pfx)
Either way, it's silly that shipping a cheap usb stick should add hundreds of dollars to a product that doubled in price over 3 years. I may go shopping, but it might mean having to get reverified (time and effort) if I change providers instead of renewing. Not sure yet. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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It took us months to change our TeamCity builders that no longer could use a copy of the .pfx signing certificate.
The builders now send the files to be signed to a "Signing PC" which has the USB dongle with the EV token.
I also had to write a signing application to automate signing as we did not want to sign files manually.
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 Thanks for confirming my fears! 
I'm the only person here building/signing/deploying, so the only problem will be keeping up with the dongle when I travel. Of course, I don't know what I'm up against with the automation part of things yet...if it can be scripted like signtool, then it shouldn't be too much of a hassle.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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It is a hassle I'm afraid, there is no official documentation on how to automate signing with an EV token. I only found a useful tip on StackOverflow after much searching. I don't have it at hand at the moment, tomorrow I wil send you the link.
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I am not allowed to post instructions, however , I hope it is OK to post suggestion.
I have been watching too many "spaghetti western movies " - strictly as a needed break from drudgery of coding.
Their plots are not very imaginative - most of them have fists fights in local saloon.
And that, sometime whisky induced brawl, what promoted this vent.
This subforum , in my opinion, is turning into verbal fistfights by few illiterate, "me first" , outlaws and my hope is it will not end with OK corral style gun fight.
adios amigos
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Salvatore Terress wrote: This subforum , in my opinion, is turning into ...
And we all know who is responsible.
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Warning. Someone is posting strange messages and signing your name to them. 
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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Salvatore Terress wrote: I hope it is OK to post suggestion
Sure it is! But alas, this is not the place. Try, Bugs and Suggestions[^]. Keep trying, you'll get there.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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jeron1 wrote: Keep trying, you'll get there.
Procul, procul, o este profani!
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You're not alone with that sentiment.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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According to your profile, you've been here for less than a year and you're suggesting how this show should be run.
This is a terrible way to try to endear yourself and rally the troops, some of which have been for more than two decades, to support your cause (whatever it may be).
Whatever you think the lounge is "turning into", let me point out that throughout its history, people have come and gone, yet the lounge remains.
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I prefer Lounge to Saloon. Saloon is just too "low-brow" for me. If you really want to change the name, consider Salon. The online The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition defines this as follows:
Quote: salon /sə-lŏn′, săl′ŏn″, să-lôɴ′/
noun- A large room, such as a drawing room, used for receiving and entertaining guests.
- A periodic gathering of people of social or intellectual distinction.
- A hall or gallery for the exhibition of works of art
- ...
The only problem with this is it make salon.com upset.
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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In a "Saloon" you interact with your beer
and can become less inhibited because of no guidelines
other participants will toss you out
In a "Lounge" you interact with other people
and are respectful of the guidelines for that Lounge
lack of respect for the guidelines other participants will
ask you to leave
OLD saying "If the shoe fits wear it"
After 10 years here I know my shoe size
Now if I can just learn how to write a Article
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I have not seen any fighting threads in here. It always seems very Breakfast Club friendly. 
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Salvatore Terress wrote: adios amigos
yes, please.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Well, today is my 90th. What happened to the time?
tl:dr Happy Birthday to me.
I was thinking about what significant developments I have seen. The power of smartphones pales in comparison to some.
Indoor plumbing, yes there were still outhouses back in the day.
I recall WWII, especially the end. Gold stars in the windows. Never be another generation like that.
My father participated in a program named something like bundles for Britain. He made a lifelong snail mail (priceless) friend.
Vaccines (sorry anti-vaxers). My best friend through high school died of Polio.
Medicine: Antibiotics, cancer treatments (my mother died of leukemia, the treatment back then was "eat a lot of red meat"), today's surgery techniques (Wow). Much more. Now AI?
Our first television, 1948, black and white, largest screen available: 10". Weighed a ton. Watched the world series.
Power steering, power brakes and automatic transmissions.
EV's? Won't go there.
My first "computer experience", actually an accounting system, 7 words of core memory, vacuum tubes (valves for you right ponders) could only add, subtract and multiply. People ran payroll on it. Slow? you bet.
My first experience with a computer monitoring open heart surgery patients. 1970.
etc, etc, etc.
Just a Thought:
A Keeper
Their marriage was good, their dreams focused.
Their best friends lived barely a wave away.
I can see them now,
Dad in trousers, tee shirt and a hat and Mom in a house dress,
lawn mower in one hand, and dish-towel in the other.
It was the time for fixing things.
A curtain rod, the kitchen radio, screen door, the oven door, the hem in a dress.
Things we keep.
It was a way of life, and sometimes it made me crazy.
All that re-fixing, eating, renewing,
I wanted just once to be wasteful.
Waste meant affluence.
Throwing things away meant you knew there would always be more.
But then my mother died, and on that clear summer's night,
in the warmth of the hospital room,
I was struck with the pain of learning that sometimes there isn't any more.
Sometimes, what we care about most gets all used up and goes away...
never to return.
So... While we have it... it's best we love it...
And care for it.... And fix it when it's broken.....
And heal it when it's sick.
This is true...
For marriage....
And old cars....
And children with bad report cards.....
Dogs and cats with bad hips....
And aging parents....
And grandparents.
We keep them because they are worth it, because we are worth it.
Some things we keep.
Like a best friend that moved away or a classmate we grew up with.
There are just some things that make life important,
like people we know who are special....
And so, we keep them close!
I received this from someone who thinks I am a 'keeper',
so I've sent it to the people I think of in the same way...
Good friends are like stars....
You don't always see them, but you know they are always there
People are made to be Loved
and Things are made to be Used
There is so much confusion in this World because
People are being Used
and
Things are being Loved.
Be kind... everyone you meet is fighting a terrible battle.
Thanks for being part of MY life!
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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Happy birthday and thanks for sharing your story!
Makes me wonder if there are even older CodeProject members ...
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I'm eleven years behind you, but a lot of what you wrote resonates with me. Happy Birthday ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Happy birthday.
I experienced some but not all, just a whippersnapper 75.
If you can't find time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it again?
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.4.0 (Many new features) JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: EventAggregator
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Yup. If I had known I would live this long, I would have taken better care of myself 
Started out with Assembler and Fortran (only choices back in the day).
Now, I can't keep up so I cobble together Python scripts.
Fortunately, Chris's GPAI does what I need for our 14 cameras and Blue Iris.
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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