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So, Delphi under the Embarcadero banner, have they dropped Borland or did it go bang again?
Micro Focus??
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As today Borland is part of MicroFocus, but a few years back Delphi was bought by Embarcadero...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Well that leave M$ the only way...
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MS the only way ?
ever heard of codeblocks ? mingw ? clang ? powerbasic ? purebasic ? xojo ? libre office ? python ?
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Or even better Lazarus/FreePascal. Just like Delphi, but with a better pricetag. And available for more host and target environments...
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1984 - Turbo Pascal 2.0 - $29.95
2018 - Delphi 10.2 - $1500.
Wow.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Wow indeed, though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic. Back in those days I was living off £30 a week...
.. and contrarily, I remember looking at PC adverts for systems costing over £1K, which you can get now for well under that.. and you can get the entire .NET framework for nothing.
Weird.
I quite enjoyed Turbo Pascal. Just never had a good use for it.
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I had a job coding in DOS/Turbo Pascal from 1988-1991. After that all development was converted to C++ and Windows. In 2000, the company was sold to an international company, and I just performed a cursory search, and the software does not seem to be available any longer. A million lines of code down the chute...
Does anyone remember the OWL framework?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Does anyone remember the OWL framework?
I wrote my final project using it...
An almost heretic move those days not to use COBOL...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I worked at an automated manufacturing facility from 1986 to 1998; two years ago, they shut it down... all of the code written that was specific to that site... gone.
In the early '80s, the company invested $250,000,000 to upgrade the facilities.. I still don't understand the thought behind shuttering the place; I guess it wasn't making a high enough profit margin.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Does anyone remember the OWL framework?
Yes - thanks for reminding me how old I am
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yes ... I tried to use Borland OWL in 1996-97 for one of my projects, but I finally went for VC++/MFC instead ...
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bcc and TurboDebugger. TWindow. Good times. And, again, thanks for pointing out how old I am.
onwards and upwards...
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Sure do. I remember stuffing like 35 3.5 floppies into the disk reader to install. You had to set aside one or two of the early disks because they had to be re-installed at a later stage. I used it to write a natural language parser in C++ in 1993, on OS/2 because that was the only operating system which could reach enough memory to do chart parsing.
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OWL was the coolest framework way ahead of MFC... I miss it...
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A_Griffin wrote: though adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Adjusted to inflation it would be around $70... $1500 is a magnitude larger than that...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Yes, OK. I actually had a decade earlier in my head, which would more or less double it - even so, it's still an order of magnitude away.
So I exaggerated used poetic licence.
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A_Griffin wrote: adjusted for inflation it's not quite so dramatic
Beer was 70p a pint, today it is £3.50 so inflation doesnt account for that increase.
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No - but beer might account for (some of) the inflation of certain waistlines
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Its the red wine for me. Lethal stuff.
Still, dropped another 2 kgs, getting there...
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It ran great on my Apple II clone
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
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Well, that's kind of comparing apples and oranges. And if that would be a stretch, if you compare the capabilities of Turbo Pascal 2.0 and Delphi 10.2.
But in general, yes, it is a shame that Embarcadero went way overboard with their pricing, that's why I stick with FreePascal/Lazarus instead...
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