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Before guns were invented people never killed other people. Never, ever, not once.
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Turning the argument into a stupid statement that no-one made, is a good sign that you don't have any good response to the actual argument being put forward.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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There is no good response to the argument. There are people that are pro-gun, people that are anti-gun. The fact of the matter is the anti-gun nuts are using this as an opportunity to push the anti gun agenda to tick of the pro gun nuts and not a single person from either side ever makes a compelling rational argument that takes into account all relevant facts. (Most nut jobs leave off information that doesn't support their argument).
Now if you really want to discuss something important, let's discuss using their vs. his or her, or alternating gender pronouns. Because, well, we are likely to solve that problem a lot sooner.
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There is a clear and rational argument. Criminals can only get guns if society gives them access, through people having them. The cases where a gun makes someone safer, are very rare and dwarfed by the number of kids shot in the US. But, I agree, and indeed said, that a time like this, when emotions are high, is a dumb time to try to make that case.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote: Criminals can only get guns if society gives them access, through people having them.
I always wondered why it wasn't possible to buy a little coke, lace it with a bit of meth and then pick out a nice prostitute for the evening.
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jschell wrote: I always wondered why it wasn't possible to buy a little coke, lace it with a bit of meth and then pick out a nice prostitute for the evening.
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant on the web."
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Christian Graus wrote: Criminals can only get guns if society gives them access, through people having
them.
That is incorrect. The UK permits no guns yet they are routinely used by criminals to shoot people. Anyone intent enough will always find a way to get hold of weapons, regardless of the law.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
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mark merrens wrote: That is incorrect.
Not really, it sure restricts the crime with guns involved.
and I dont think it serve any purpose when general population is allowed guns. if a criminal come at you with a gun, you are done, it doent matter if you have gun in your house - in a locker. but it can be deadly when common man who is angry and frustrated and that man has a gun.
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They are not used 'routinely', firearms offences in the UK are much, much rarer than in the US.
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They are used routinely by criminals and gangs though knife crime is more of a problem in the UK.
Either way, it is too simplistic to suppose that making the possession of a firearm illegal will stop gun crime.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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There are probably less than 20 gun involved murders in the UK annually - I think we have the problem largely under control
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Largely under control would be zero murders.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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No - that would be "completely" under control
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"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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It might be worth noting that he injured 22, and didn't kill 18.
But then again, it might not.
There's no easy solution to any of these tragic events.
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Andrew Stoute wrote: It might be worth noting
No, it is not worth noting.
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Because the facts don't matter. All the shootings that take place in the US don't matter. It's almost a matter of religion with people who are raised to think that access to guns makes them free.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote: It's almost a matter of religion with people who are raised to think that access to guns makes them free.
Not really. It is however a fundamental right explicitly given by the most fundamental legal document in the US.
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The same document also gave us the 3/5ths compromise. Are you willing to stick by that?
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thebeekeeper wrote: The same document also gave us the 3/5ths compromise. Are you willing to stick by that?
Nonsensical. Because the same document also gave the US the ability to change it if enough people wanted that change. Which is why what you are referring to is no longer relevant.
And there is not even close to enough people that want the 2nd amendment repealed. And there is little evidence of growing popularity either.
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Have a 5.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker]
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Slacker007 wrote: No, it is not worth noting.
Yeah, why make a big deal of the difference between life and death? 
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