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newton.saber wrote: I like Windows 8.1.
There is probably a support group for you.
If there isn't one locally, you could start one? "Win8.1 users Anonymous" perhaps?
You could have a 12 step plan:
1) We admitted we were powerless over out computer - that our PC had become unmanageable.
2) Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3) Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of Gates as we understood Him.
4) Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5) Admitted to Gates, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6) Were entirely ready to have Gates remove all these defects of character.
7) Humbly asked Him to send us Win7.
8) Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9) Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10) Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11) Sought through email and forum to improve our conscious contact with Gates as we understood Him, Googling only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to Win 8 users and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
(based on "The Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous" and not intended to belittle or trivialize addiction to Win8 or alcohol)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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It is people like you who forced Microsoft's hand and made them Jump The Shark (falsely jump from 8 to 10) and who have caused this whole false windows 10 blather. I blame you!!!
Windows 8.1 is like a really nice Windows 7, but your brain is too clouded to know the truth.
You've been brainwashed into believing the propaganda from those who yell:
It is the year of the Linux Desktop!
I don't blame you though, because I know that simple minds are often taken over by propaganda and believe only what others tell them. 
I'm totally kidding by the way, Griff.
I really do like windows 8.1 though.
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Pfft, I have two Linux desktops...
Ok, well... One is a Raspberry Pi that I remote into from Win7... And the other is a desktop that I haven't turned on in about six months.
But hey, I have more non-Windows computers than Windows ones...
2 x Windows (One Win7, one Win8.1)
3 x Linux (2 x Ubuntu, 1 x Raspbian)
2 x Android (One phone, one tablet)
Ok, so the only ones I use on a daily basis are the Win7 desktop and the phone... But still...
Yeah, Linux desktops just aren't there yet.
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I have the RPi also, running Raspbian.
I really do like it. Takes me back to simpler days.
I have another older dual-boot laptop running some relatively current Ubuntu version but mostly it still gets booted to Windows 7.
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Yeah, the Pi is great... Well, the Pi 2B, actually... Just got it last week.
Trouble is, I haven't managed to think of anything useful to do with it yet. Really just bought it because I was having a really depressing week and needed to take my mind off things...
But hey, I have a server running 24/7 in my apartment, using about as much electricity as a cell phone... I'm sure I'll think of something cool to do with it.
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I have my Raspberry Pi running as a server, running minidlna for streaming to my TV, SFTP for "cloud" storage, and shellinabox for CLI (and causing panic in people who think I'm hacking their computer from within a browser).
I've had the opposite experience, running a laptop with Ubuntu (Gnome 3 for myself as a WM, and MATE for my wife), with a partition for Windows 8.1 that hardly ever gets booted.
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newton.saber wrote: I like Windows 8.1
I don't get it...
Man, if you're going to tell a joke, you need some build-up before the punchline. I mean, if my entire joke was "Hey hun, don't forget the coffee!", you wouldn't laugh... I mean, unless you already know that joke...
So when you come out and say "I like Windows 8.1", it's just a disconnected punchline...
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It was me with the upvote, okay? 
Now I know I'm on to something. If everyone liked windows 8.1 then there would definitely be something wrong with it.
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Well, jokes aside, I actually don't hate Win8.1 THAT much. I have it on my laptop (It came with it)... But that's a TOUCHSCREEN laptop. That's the key. What's the point of that horrible start screen if you're not on a touch-capable device?
I assume that it's a decent OS other than that... But because of that start screen, I don't use it enough to find out.
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Maybe it doesn't need to have a punchline.
Maybe it's like coming out of the closet.
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My main OS is X64 Vista Ultimate, this desktop was a tripple boot with XP,Vista,Win7 untill the Xp partition got messed up.
So now I do all of my work in In Vista Now that I know it from top to bottom and I've managed to keep from doing a reinstall since,(from Win32_OperatingSystem)
InstallDate: 11/17/2009 10:10:54 PM
Neither Windows 8, 8.1, nor windows 10 has any extra features that would make me want to upgrade downgrade, even after the end of support for Vista or Windows 7.
My new Windows7 laptop, I still have to go in and find and change the setting to keep it from showing so much in the "Public" folders.
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I still run Vista on one of my machines and have no particular need to change it. Everything connected to it works fine, network, scanner, printer, external drives, etc. so why change?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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The only problem would be Vista only supports IE9 and not IE 10 + and alot of sites are starting to not support IE9 so an alternate would need to be used.
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I use most as a printer and scanner server - and use Chrome for web-browsing - so it doesn't give me any problems.
It's not my main machine anyway - it's mostly for batch video conversion jobs.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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newton.saber wrote: Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1.
Same here, so at least you know you're not alone.
Jeremy Falcon
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Windows 10 is more "Windows 8.3" 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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KarstenK wrote: more "Windows 8.3"
I agree. And one of the worst things a software company can do is update people into software that they do not like.
"Here's our latest...you're going to hate it!", Sincerely MicrosoftBorg 
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Newton,
I am of the exact same opinion. It's not that there's patently anything wrong with Windows 10, I played with the preview for quite awhile. The reason I don't move is the same as yours, the fact that there just isn't anything in the product that compels me to perform an upgrade which could potentially break my systems. I haven't found even ONE feature that stands out and says to me "this will assist in your work" or "this will fix ---- problem". To me, at the present time, it would be nothing but "playing" with the configuration of a well running system. Seriously. Same thing with all my other machines running 7. As for the intrusion part? Yeah, that's a concern too, but mainly it's the "it ain't broke, why fix it?" thinking that stopped me.
-CM
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Great summary of the entire situation. 100% agree.
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After I got everything I used on the desktop, except Kendal, what was left was an imitation of 7 on an 8.1 machine without the start button. There was a lot less hacking around to get Windows 10 to do what I want. A pro would not have any trouble adapting to 10. My friend Sam will take lots of hand holding when he loses his Win 7 machine.
In short 10's start button makes the operating system way easier.
Yes who ever called me a loser for not loving Rust I'm sure you won't love this either.
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I guess it really depends upon the features you want to use. Almost all the changes from 8.1 to 10 are totally useless to me so the only reason I did the update was because it was free. Here's the 4 main 'features' that I turned off/disabled on Windows 10.
1) New Start Menu. I don't like the implementation. I always organize my start menu and that's not really feasible with the Windows 10 Start Menu (no hierarchy). Also, there's a fairly low hard limit on how many items you can have on the Windows 10 Start Menu. I'll just stick with Classic Shell.
2) Cortana. I have no interest in talking to my computer and I've never had the best results with Bing search. I also don't want a search on my local machine to also search the web. You can disable it (and I did).
3) Privacy! In Windows 10, the default is to opt in to sharing on almost everything. If you like your privacy, you've got a lot of options to change.
4) Virtual Desktops. Hm, I've got them on my linux box but never use them so I doubt I'll be using them on my Windows 10 box. I basically hide the 'task view button' to regain real state on the task bar.
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A great summary of what is out there on Win10.
Yep, I don't care about any of it. I'm running a Win7 VM and I had uninstalled the GWX (get windows 10) installation update. Mysteriously, it is now back and running and it runs again every time I restart the VM even though it tells me my video card wont' upgrad to win 10 anyway.
Total debacle!!
And there's no Ballmer to blame any more. 
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I find it interesting that all the talk is on the UI changes. Nothing about how MS is trying to make the OS a service and the collection of our data. Yes you can talk about Facebook and Google and how they already do it. That does not make it right. I personally do not use Facebook it escapes me why I would want to put my dirty laundry out for all to see. Google I do use but limited I sure do not use Gmail and I sure will not do any banking on a Google OS.
Buckrogerz
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Recent reports about user privacy violations on Windows 10 disturb me. I don't like what Google and MS are doing with user data and I don't like their attempts to own a user's internet experience. It's wrong. This reminds me of the two-way screens of 1984. More and more these big IT companies creep me out, seriously. I have plans to make absolutely minimum use of their services and products.
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that's the craziest f***ing thing i ever heard.
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