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modified 6-Jun-18 7:18am.
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There's a very good article about this linked on the Insider News forum today - I recommend you read it.
The point is this - GitHub is leaking cash like nobody's business and can only realistically survive if bought by one of the tech giants.
Of those giants, Microsoft are the only one that has shown any genuine commitment to open source.
If you have a compelling argument as to why it would be in safer hands with Google, Facebook, Amazon or IBM, I'd love to hear it.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: GitHub is leaking cash like nobody's business and can only realistically survive if bought by one of the tech giants.
Hmmmm.... I guess that makes sense.
I (and many others) use the free service.
There are no advertisements, so how would they make any money?
And that leads us to an interesting set of things to think about.
* Companies eat money to survive -- if nothing else just to pay employees.
* Many users are turned off by free stuff that has advertising.
* Often those same users are turned off by a large company buying out the company.
How can the company survive if they have no revenue stream? They cannot.
They're either going to monetize the site (advertise) or be bought up by the Big Corp.
I really like GitHub and hope it doesn't change under M$ direction.
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I think what Microsoft could well do here is leave it pretty much as it is.
They'll certainly believe that they can run it at less of a loss - they're pretty good at running a business, after all.
What losses remain can be justified quite easily as a "soft" marketing expense. Rather than spoiling things with explicit advertising they can simply say that the resulting gain in good-will from the development community will, in the long-run, lead to a higher uptake of Microsoft technologies and ultimately, any money spent on GitHub is money well spent.
It's not entirely dissimilar to the way that they already promote .NET with the VS and SQL Express editions. Offer people the chance to learn with free versions of enterprise level tools and there's every chance that a few years down the line when those same people are making tech choices for their employers or their start-ups that they'll opt for .NET because they know it and trust it. These are far more effective strategies than any kind of direct advertising could ever hope to be.
Yes, some people will blindly bitch about it because a big corporation is involved but I don't see that there arguments are valid as long as the corporation is adopting a fundamentally symbiotic approach.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Why? Microsoft is one of the biggest contributors on github now. Perhaps you would care to elaborate with a well thought out and well reasoned argument.
This space for rent
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there's fish out there that think humans are wonderful, because they keep throwing food into the sea, ... until one day when that food has hook in it. Not so good after all.
microsoft is saturating the environment with free stuff.
and lest we forget all their free stuff does come with their version of a free ware/source licences.
Reminds me of something...
Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air
You better watch out
There may be dogs about
I've looked over Jordan, and I have seen
Things are not what they seem
What do you get for pretending the danger's not real
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes
Now things are really what they seem
No, this is no bad dream.
Name that song.
anyway jus saying, and to wrap up another question: why do people study history?
This internet thing is amazing! Letting people use it: worst idea ever!
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It's from Animals by Pink Floyd - is it called Pigs? - edit: no, it's called Sheep, isn't it? - Animals is probably the Floyd album I've listened to least bar the odd lesser-known thing like More and Obscured by Clouds.
I believe that people study history so that they can marvel at mankind's inability to learn from its mistakes.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
modified 6-Jun-18 9:57am.
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correct album/artist, the song's called Sheep.
(Fits so well)
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There was a very well designed authentication (and partially authorization) system, open source and developed to an academic perfection according to MIT standards: Kerberos[^]. Microsoft said: Let's go for it. So the open source agitators said: We're not going to touch anything that makes us compatible with anything from MS! Let's make something else! So - in traditional open source style - about a dozen competing alternatives were created, with OpenID and SAML as the most prominent in my corner of the world, all inferior to Kerberos.
The X.500 directory was standaridized 25-30 years ago by ISO and ITU. Since implementing an X.500 client isn't suitable as a student project, the open source communities made a lightweight version of the API, to be run over TCP, but the underlaying database is still the X.500 design. With little hope of making Kerberos the standard authentication, MS went for LDAP as their primary atunentication protocol. Again: MS is using it - then WE certainly will not, even though we developed it! I guess there are other projects using LDAP authentication, but once MS selected it, lots of people turned their back to LDAP.
For many years, open source people were constantly bitching about IE not supporting SVG. If only IE would allow SVG support, we would have perfectly scalable internet graphics! Then IE got SVG support, and everybody forgot about SVG. Use a canvas! IE has poor canvas support, so then the users must choose some non-MS browser...
Should we recall the OOXML/ODF war? When MSO got ODF support, the ODF format died.
There are lots of other examples: It is a continous power struggle. For the majority of the open source community, a very essential part of the struggle is to stay at a distance from MS. "We must support anything that the enemy opposes, and oppose anything that the enemy supports" - historically, that is closely tied to "From everyone according to ability - to everone according to need", which goes hand-in-hand with open source ideology.
The open source community has shown a great ability to switch distribution platforms. ftp.funet.fi was abandoned in favor of SourceForge, which became the world's biggest storehouse for reinvented wheels. When then the open source High Priest presented a new and holier than any other source control system, and a global repo was set up according to the Scriptures, SourceForge was abandoned. Now that The Enemy has take control over the fortress, ...
ftp.funet.fi is still alive. So is SourceForge. In ten years, GitHub will still be running. The question is whether the open source community will still see that as their primary site for offering their wheels. I suspect not.
The question is how fast the change will come. It will take a few years to build a viable alternative. Building twelve alternatives can be done in a year; the problem is establishing The One that can take over the role that GitHub has today (or, to be precise: Had until yesterday). I wouldn't be surprised if several flagship open source projects are out of GitHub within five years.
Again and again, MS lets the open source guys have their twelve competing alternatives (that be in sound formats, video formats, document formats, authentication protocols, ... whatever) fighting against each other. As the weaker ones drop out, there is a consolidation aound The One format to be used fighting The Enemy. MS waits until the right time to say: OK, we take it! - the right time to throw the open source guys into yet another devasting twelve-open-alternatives-battle. I suspect that this is a deliberate strategy. And I suspect that the GitHub takeover is a very deliberate example of that strategy.
MS did what they were asked: Accepting open-source Kerberos, open-source LDAP, Open Document Format, SVG,... Neither was a victory for open source. Now MS strongly supports GitHub. That is no more a victory for open source than other examples where "MS finally hade to give in".
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We have nearly finished our two week fly-drive vacation in Sicily and will conclude with a visit to mount Etna.
Although the island is beautiful and has lots of top attractions, I really cannot recommend a fly-drive vacation.
Driving in Sicily is not a relaxed experience, the traffic in town is chaotic and the Sicilians drive like stuntmen in the movie "Smokey and the bandit".
We also made the mistake of hiring a big car, which is definitively not handy in the narrow streets of the "Centro Storico". It's a small wonder the car is still undamaged.
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RickZeeland wrote: Driving in Sicily anywhere in Italy is not a relaxed experience, the traffic in town is chaotic and the Sicilians Italians drive like stuntmen in the movie "Smokey and the bandit".
FTFY 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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In Italy we are kind of reckless in cars. And yes, big cars are a mistake everywhere here, many cities still have narrow central streets and secondary streets.
I get honked and insulted a lot when I give due precedence in roundabouts or when I'm a notch too careful (which, given the Italian way of driving, is still reckless).
While a fly-drive travel isn't a great thing remember that in Italy we don't have meaningful public transportation and any region south of Tuscany is even worse, especially in places like Sicily that ahve huge areas sparsely populated with interesting places to visit (old temples and theaters, ruins...).
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Quote: Tour of de Sicily
Did you win? 
RickZeeland wrote: Driving in Sicily is not a relaxed experience, the traffic in town is chaotic and the Sicilians drive like stuntmen in the movie "Smokey and the bandit".
That's a very subjective view. Must I really say how many times someone with a yellow/black license plate tried to kill me by pulling to the left lane right in front of my nose at about half the speed I was (absolutely legally) going? Or those deperately trying to stay in formation with me with the obligatory camping trailer already hopping like a bunny rabbit behind them?
Should you ever get to Rome, then take the bus to go to the places you want to see. Then you will see what chaotic traffic is like. But when in Rome, just do as the Romans do...
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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CodeWraith wrote: But when in Rome, just do as the Romans do...
Swear a lot and resign yourself?
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Your scope is way too narrow - try taking a SUV into The Pannier in Marseilles - at night, in the rain f***ing terrifying.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Did the duolingo training work?
Quote: We also made the mistake of hiring a big car, which is definitively not handy in the narrow streets of the "Centro Storico". It's a small wonder the car is still undamaged.
I had the same problem in Cornwall (actually I had booked a small car, they nonetheless gave me a big car).
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I started a bit too late with DuoLingo, but I picked up some basic words and like the website very much.
Now you mention it, the roads in the south east of Sicily look a lot like those in Cornwall with stone walls on the sides.
We are now near the Etna, and plan to go to the top tomorrow.
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Quote: A semitrailer driver told police she had a sneezing fit while talking to her phone before her truck rolled and closed an interstate lane for eight hours Sunday.
The driver was heading southbound in a construction zone on I-65 in Lake County near the Crown Point exit when she began sneezing while trying to talk to Siri on her iPhone, according to an Indiana State Police news release.
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«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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Correlation does not imply causation!!
I'm not sure how the two are related anyways.
Is Siri known to make people sneeze?
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Quote: Is Siri known to make people sneeze
Now please listen to an expert (thats me): There's a certain probability that "Siri" can make people sneeze. We are still busy with studies on this.
At the moment, as an expert (thats again me), I can say: It can not be ruled out 
Just listen (...) to the news in swiss tv. And as usual they present a recognized expert; today it is for traffic 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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0x01AA wrote: It can not be ruled out
1) Stop everything.
2) Get Gov't funding in excess of $5 Billion.
3) start in depth study to determine, if in fact, Siri does cause sneezing.
The study will only cost $500 but we'll use the rest for important stuff. I promise.
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Sneezing fits are horrible while driving. Before I had medications for my pollen allergy I was worried, as allergy sneezes often come up completely sudden and very violent, causing spasms to the arms.
I almost drove myself into a wall accelerating (the nseeze contracted both my arms and accelerator feet) in a tight curve thanks to such a sneeze.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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It would have been disastrous if you had been talking to Siri then.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Probably: I rarely talk while driving. Either because I'm alone or because my wife talks enough for both of us (and half a dozen other).
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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