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Careful, your apple is showing.
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Just as long as I don't show my core feelings...
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Thanks for your help - I'll try this out next time I use their machines. There is, as I've said in other posts - a certain amount of who moved my cheese?
_Maxxx_ wrote: or perhaps you can
I totally can 
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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So far I've only used two apple devices.
The first one shredders them into tiny pieces.
The second one presses all the juice out of those tiny pieces.
By mid October I will very likely do that again and make some nice cider.
Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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Apfelsaft !
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Apfelschorle plus apfelkorn
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Keith Barrow wrote: Apfelschorle plus apfelkorn
Pfui! 
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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Rage wrote: Apfelsaft !
That is only the beginning, after myself and the yeast are done with it it'll be transformed into cidre.
Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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Yeah, a lot of times it seems like they do stuff just trying to be different.... but hey, the terminal commands should all be just about the same as any Linux (slightly different there too, but hey, at least you have man or --help).
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The command prompt/terminal is what saved me.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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In fact I think Apple did it first with Command-C - Ctrl-C in windows was used because they didn't have a command key!
Windows used to us the insert and delete keys with sift (I think)
So it's not trying to be different- it's being consistent!
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"Windows used to use the insert and delete keys with shift (I think)" ... it always has done, and 99% of the time it's shift/delete shift/insert that I use for cut/paste. I even use it for copy (with text) by cutting and immediately pasting, then pasting where I want the copy... just find that easier than the rather awkward ctrl-c / ctrl-v combinations (getting my little finger "lower" on the keyboard than my index finger).
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I had to use an application where the old CUA keys were the only way to defeat the Ctrl+C protection - or, more probably, bug. 
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OH, the humanity!
My favourite Appleism was when working with my BIL (a now reformed, but then Apple nut). His hard disk became full and he asked for my help:
Delete some files: Operation failed - disk full
Move some files to floppy disk (yes, it was a while back): Operation failed - disk full
Let's try editing a file to reduce its size: You guessed!
I told him "You have a very effective door stop there!"
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Been there, done that. I only needed to download a file, and put it on a USB stick. I had to look up all the steps in Safari. Finder? Copy&Paste ?  Even the trafic light instead of the cross to close a window was disturbing.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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There is a certain amount of who moved my cheese involved so having to try to filter through that and some actual deficiencies. The traffic lights did jar (especially against the rest of the UI, which manages to look pruttty) , but no biggie. The simple task of moving files, or even seeing a folder structure, however, seems unnecessarily obscure.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Rage wrote: I only needed to download a file, and put it on a USB stick. I had to look up all the steps in Safari.
Surely you've heard of drag and drop? 
Rage wrote: Even the trafic light instead of the cross to close a window was disturbing.
Never mind. I see I'm dealing with a crazy person.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mike Mullikin wrote: drag and drop
This assumes:
1. You know where to drag from, e.g. where the downloaded file was saved -> did not appear, had to look with that "Finder"
2. You know where to drop -> no appearance of usb as mass media in the "Finder", but as an icon on the desktop
About as intuitive as cutting a tree with a bread knife.
Mike Mullikin wrote: I see I'm dealing with a crazy person.
Is it really necessary to put it on the wrong side of the window, and making a permutation of the buttons ? 
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: You know where to drag from, e.g. where the downloaded file was saved
By default, to the "Downloads" folder - exactly the same as Windows.
Rage wrote: You know where to drop -> no appearance of usb as mass media in the "Finder", but as an icon on the desktop
Damn! You're right! How horrible. Way better to pop-up a dialog to the user asking them what they want to do.  Was it really that different that you couldn't figure it out? BTW - When I connect a USB stick it shows up on the desktop AND in Finder. Looks like it's controllable via a Finder preference.
Rage wrote: Is it really necessary to put it on the wrong side of the window, and making a permutation of the buttons ?
You'll want to ask Microsoft. Apple had their GUI first...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mike Mullikin wrote: xactly the same as Windows.
I am a Total Commander user, so basically never use an explorer or any of the Windows "folder". Experience taught me that putting anything in windows folders is the best way to loose data.
So spontaneously, this is certainly the last place I would have looked for that file. I found it by looking up the path in the properties, or whatever this is called on OS X.
Mike Mullikin wrote: Was it really that different that you couldn't figure it out?
Do you mean that seriously ? How on Earth should I know that there is an icon on the desktop for mass storage media, and that this is the only way to access it ??? Who goes over the desktop to access files ?
Mike Mullikin wrote: When I connect a USB stick it shows up on the desktop AND in Finder
Well, I am so glad it worked for you, bu it did not for me.
So call me dumb if you want -- because this is exactly what you are heading for -- but nothing here was intuitive to me and it took me ten damn minutes to download that file and put it on that USB stick.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I give up.
BTW - Your username is apropos.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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This must be one of the most subtle trolling I have ever seen here. You may go now, your work is done.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: This must be one of the most subtle trolling I have ever seen here.
It likely seems subtle because I'm not trolling (by any definition). However... the OP and some of the responses (yours in particular) are definitely trolling.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Rage wrote: nothing here was intuitive to me
Thing is, it's not intuitive on most operating systems - just that you've learned over the years how to use one, and now try to use another with the expectation of it working the same - and it doesn't.
Sit an experienced windows 7 user in front of Windows 8 and they are more flummoxed - nothing is intuitive about (for example) pressing Windows-C, selecting Settings (FFS) then Power, then Shut Down - but once you have used it for a while, you get used to it and it becomes second nature.
Judging something inferior because it is different is racism, surely 
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Thing is, it's not intuitive on most operating systems - just that you've
learned over the years how to use one
I think that some of the older UIs were a lot more intuitive than the new ones. Heck, if you look at some of the basic GTK based UIs, they're a whole heck of a lot more intuitive than the newer, more complex ones. One of the principles of good UI design I learned some time ago was not to hide things, even when they weren't available. That way the user knew where it was from seeing it, even if disabled. I don't think new UI's really apply some of those old principles anymore, instead they hide layers and show you what they think you want to see or should see without really considering that what you want to see is really task specific (although Linux is really doing a good job of this recently).
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