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Are you seeing this ? (bug report i filed today with MS VS dev site)
Quote: Win 10/64 Microsoft Visual Studio Community 2019 Version 16.11.3
Windows Forms App (.Net Framework)
.NET 5.0 C# 4.8
The outline view is now replaced by a flat text-file that forces you to read through code examples in different languages before finding an example in the language you are working in. Example of what you see now when you click F1 with "UserControl" selected
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.windows.forms.usercontrol?view=net-5.0
The explanatory text is often of poor quality technically; the code examples often flawed, or irrelevant. While VS documentation has been mediocre/confusing/poorly-written/inconsistent since the beginning (and MSDN support utterly useless), at least you could get to a quick outlined summary of essential object attributes ... until now.
I consider this such a serious flaw, that I would now never recommend Visual Studio.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Looks normal to me. The code sample is all C# which accords with my default selection, and I can use the copy widget to get the complete sample. Also I can switch to VB, F# or C++ by using the dropdown at the top of the page.
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Thanks, Richard,
Looking at that page with Chrome, no ad-blocker, the language filtering selection drop-down appears, but contains no drop-down items.
Examples shown in C/C++, VB, C#. Some examples targeted to other flavors of C# WinForms than Windows Forms App (.Net Framework).
The key issue for me is not being able to quickly go to a specific object's Property, Method, Event, etc. definition, and get the "gist" of it: that's what most of my doc look-up is about.
Hypothesis: a pattern has emerged: you take on the role of "defender" of criticism of MS docs, MSDN. That may mean nothing, or something; i can live with that 
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
modified 5-Oct-21 5:09am.
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BillWoodruff wrote: Chrome, no ad-blocker
Same as me, so no idea why your view is different. I just tried again with the link in your original message and it is still all correct.
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Hi,
Are you able to access the old outline view by any other means ?
Did you launch the browser by selecting "UserControl" and F! in a C# 5 enabled project design-time Form view like mine ?
Hypothesis: something to do with Community edition VS ? I used to use Enterprise.
thanks, Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
modified 5-Oct-21 6:59am.
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Sorry Bill, I don't have C# 5 installed.
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Works in Edge; list of fields, methods, and hyperlinks on the right to jump to those sections. Found the language-drop down.
I too like MSDN documentation - remember that it is huge, spanning multiple products, and still it is consistent. DevExpres uses a similar template and then puts a one-line-placeholder text to "fill" the page.
BillWoodruff wrote: I consider this such a serious flaw, that I would now never recommend Visual Studio.
What would you recommend?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Thanks, I'll try it in Edge.Eddy Vluggen wrote: I too like MSDN documentation... it is consistent.
We must be using different eyeballs.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: What would you recommend?
Suicide, or, mass-protests to force MS doc teams to get their act together.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Thanks to Eddy Vluggen, who said that link appears in old outline form in Edge: he's right.
It appears because Edge can't load the C#5.0 version:Quote: The requested page is not available for .NET 5. You have been redirected to the newest product version this page is available for.
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«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Yup, also different URL; "view=netframework-4.8&viewFallbackFrom=net-5.0"
I hadn't noticed 
I'm going shopping for new eyeballs then 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Reminds me of a car smell (11)
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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REMINISCENT
RE
MINI
SCENT
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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 well done YAUT
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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After over a year of 'retirement', I started looking for something to occupy my time - and I find that the newest, greatest job search sites don't seem to pay any attention to the resume I upload. I have received alerts for CDL Truck drivers, Product design engineers, Molecular Biologist (??) and others that do not seem to be relatable to the contents of my resume at all.
Anybody have any recommendations for sites that at least try to be accurate?
Thar's only two possibilities: Thar is life out there in the universe which is smarter than we are, or we're the most intelligent life in the universe. Either way, it's a mighty sobering thought. (Porkypine - via Walt Kelly)
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I've yet to find any recruiter that has even a clue about the subject(s) he is recruiting for. Or geography for that matter.
I am not commuting 250 miles each way every day, so stop offering me jobs on the other side of the UK ...
They are all ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) - wits as far as I can see, that's one reason why Linkedin emails go straight to the bin these days.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I've actually been impressed with Indeed over the years.
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stoneyowl2 wrote: After over a year of 'retirement',
Hah short attention span, I've lasted 2 years so far 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Well, my 'retirement' was not of my choosing - after over 3 weeks in hospital, I now am told I cannot drive, and have some short term memory loss, balance issues, tremors in my left hand, etc.
But I am bored to tears with youtube, and have started trying to catch up with 'new' language technologies and frameworks.
My SO is driving me crazy, and vice versa 
Thar's only two possibilities: Thar is life out there in the universe which is smarter than we are, or we're the most intelligent life in the universe. Either way, it's a mighty sobering thought. (Porkypine - via Walt Kelly)
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Right there with you! I am suffering from the same conditions exactly! for a while they thought I was getting Parkinson's but testing ruled that out. Neurologists came to the conclusion that it was side effect from the anti-seizure drug they have me on. No more seizures, thank God, and since all of mine happened at night, I can now drive. But I have the added aggravation of my boss CONSTANTLY on my A** saying, "Write things down!".
Which I try to do, but he talks a 400 words a minute and I can't get him to understand that I can't write that fast.
Nobby Nobbs
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Mine is all side effects of NASH - Non-alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver. Build up of ammonia in the brain causes some really weird effects 
Thar's only two possibilities: Thar is life out there in the universe which is smarter than we are, or we're the most intelligent life in the universe. Either way, it's a mighty sobering thought. (Porkypine - via Walt Kelly)
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Ah crap, sympathy to you both, my retirement was voluntary thank the Great Ghu.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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What's wrong with CDL Truck drivers or Molecular Biologist jobs?
Apply and tell them that these were recommended to you based on your past skills 🤣.
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Maybe there is an explanation for this. The newest job engines belongs to some of the biggest recruitment agencies, and those job engines handle everything in recruiting process for the client company. They offer to integrate part of their services into the website of the company - job application form, job advertisements, and after that they govern the entire process, they save the data, parse the CV and try fill some data from it according their needs. The infrastructure of those job engines requires constant support and quite often this support is outsourced into some BPO company, in a country where the salaries are not so high - Eastern Europe, Magreb, Vietnam etc. etc. Those BPO companies usually hire low paid workers, students or similar, the turnover is quite high, so it is quite easy that some fraud happens. It might even be a common practice - they see some good CV, they tag it wrong and the application of this person is done, it will no longer work properly. Why do they do this - they can use the good CV and they can change it to suit some other, far less experienced developer to land a great job. You can thing of this in the following way - biggest job engines start to be just like some of the biggest social media websites and similar services, for example dating sites. Great commercials, lots of applicants, but the return value for applicants is not much. You might wonder - why is this being unnoticed, how come nobody notice such bad thing? And the answer is - the number of applicants in such engines is very big, some of the biggest clients of such job engines receive thousands of applications - like 600 000 or 700 000 for a 100 or 120 positions. Calculate the ratio.
So in very short summary - those job engines are mainly for making cheap commercials, kind of advertising of the companies. It might even happen that HR publish fake job offers of the developers of the engine or integration team publish fake job offers after an update just to see how it works. Main part of personal is recruited by other means. Around 60%-70% of the cases of successful recruiting is when there is a inside recommendation from an existing employee or something similar. The HR of client company in such case follow the application step by step and make sure that everything works fine.
At least this is my experience in Europe.
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stoneyowl2 wrote: greatest job search sites don't seem to pay any attention to the resume I upload
You should post a nicer picture 
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I would apply for the Molecular Biologist job. You are, after all, associated with a body made of molecules. Sounds like fun. 
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