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Haven't tried any; the "challenges" make me wary.
Ordered a shop manual for my older car online expecting to get a PDF. Instead, I get an XP virtual machine image file and instructions to install a VM Box and run the app. I was up and running in under a minute. The XP "shop manual" was actually quite brilliant.
Don't now how this compares with the state of the art but this is still pretty good.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I'd love to see the agreement that lets them distribute XP.
Can you name names?
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having them in an electronic format (DVD or an Instant Download) is a huge advantage over having a book since there is no getting oil or dirty hands on them
...and to interact with the actual content, you're still going to get "oil or dirty hands" all over your keyboard and mouse or worse, your touch device's screen. What advantage are they claiming exists exactly? Oh yeah, shifting the problem on the user. They no longer have any reason to send replacements for dirty manuals.
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The PDF is usually a copy of a paper publication. What I got this time, was the equivalent of a "repair shop" database app for my 1999 model; XP era origin. They've down played the technical aspects and history.
I'd classify it as early multi-media; with graphics and primitive hyper linking (lots of cascading list boxes).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I also recently purchased a shop manual from the same site. The problem with the virtual machine approach is that I can't run it on a weak tablet in my garage.
I need to run it on a machine that has some horsepower. (pun not intended)
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You could try RDP from your tablet into your main PC. (I have 100 ft cables if necessary). The flexible USB cameras work well with a weak device. The dust bunnies are "huge".
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Happy Martini Day! ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) ![Jig | [Dance]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/jig.gif)
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
modified 19-Jun-20 15:40pm.
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Cp-Coder wrote: Happy Martini Day!
Some might argue that is everyday.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Only if you discard the olive.
And the Vermouth.
Oh, and the Gin / Vodka as well.
Now make the glass bigger, and fill it with chilled Elderflower Tonic.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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It's pretty good, but this one is better: ASDA Extra Special British Elderflower Tonic Water[^] as well as nearly half the price (£1.20 / 500ml instead of £1.91). It's got a stronger Elderflower taste, which I like.
Hard to get hold of though: as soon as it hits the shelves it gets bought, so you have to be lucky and take a spare carrier bag ... 
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Maybe his disgust is due to the lack of gin or vodka. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Quote: Maybe his disgust is due to the lack of gin or vodka.
That would be perfectly understandable. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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My pottery teacher gave us all a lump of clay, and told us to make an animal part. I made a right pig's ear of it ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Wheel, you kiln put some spin on describing it.
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That reference might be lost on us Yanks.
Remember, no matter where you go... there you are.
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Developers are like songwriters, they should also get paid royalties. Why is this not standard industry practice?
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Because generally speaking we get paid a wage instead - and most employment contracts specify that everything created during the period of employment is the property of the employer, not the employee.
It is possible to be a royalty - I have one on the real time software for a couple of products - but that's generally only agreed if you are a contractor and it reduces the up-front or hourly payments.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Because generally speaking we get paid a wage instead - and most employment contracts specify that everything created during the period of employment is the property of the employer, not the employee.
Exactly.
and most of us get paid pretty damn well compared to other professions. So why look a gift horse in the mouth?
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If you sell your software / provide a library you kind of do.
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Some problem as with scientists. Never formed any unions.
The problem is that they are just delighted that someone will pay them to do something they love to do.
Still, you are correct. Pretty much corporate wealth comes from our creative production.
On the other hand, I don't punch in or punch out - and I'm paid whether they use the crap or not.
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ok, so additional notes. I have a good friend who is a very good songwriter. He is under contract to a studio. He writes a ton of songs and gets paid a wage. Some of his songs he will never get paid a royality for and he doesn't think he should. There are a few were he 'might' get paid.
Not sure how this is different right now than our industry. If I write something that makes it to the big leagues I will be compensated acccordingly. And just like my friend if he gets a #1 best seller, he will get a share of the cut(along with everyone else involved). But if his song is the 8th song on an album by some group that barely sells, well he gets his salary.
Seems to me they work just like our industry.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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