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You said "It's quite generous to use the word "antisocial" when describing those who have a choice and decline."
Not sure how else I should interpret this as "those who don't vaccinate are antisocial and worse" 
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Yes, I did say that. But it's also absolutely clear from my original post, that having a go at people who are unvaccinated, was not my agenda. And, in hindsight, all it did was contribute to the discussion heading off on a tangent. So, maybe I shouldn't have commented - but....
... If you object to the use of the word "antisocial", why not take it up with guy that said it? I'm confused!
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5teveH wrote: But it's also absolutely clear from my original post, that having a go at people who are unvaccinated, was not my agenda.
It was clear to me you only wanted to have a go at people who are unvaccinated by choice, at least in your reply to OG, not in your original one 
In hindsight, you may have just nuanced OG's post a bit.
5teveH wrote: If you object to the use of the word "antisocial", why not take it up with guy that said it? I'm confused!
Already had the discussion with @OriginalGriff and he can now read this one too 
Anyway, no hurt feelings.
Just wanted to remind people to be kind to each other, even if you don't agree with their personal choices (and that definitely goes both ways).
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Sander Rossel wrote: "It's quite generous to use the word "antisocial" when describing those who have a choice and decline."
I don't think antisocial is right because of many reasons already discussed in the thread. I just go for something more personal like "plain dumb" for them. I yes, I allow myself to be a bit harsh with the topic because my brother was one of those having the choice and don't wanting it (no medical reasons, no fear, nothing... just don't beliving in it)
and he passed away last week.
Guess why?
He died from COVID. Leaving a devastated 14 years old daughter behind him.
M.D.V.
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modified 30-Nov-21 10:07am.
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My condolences.
My grandpa pretty much died the same way (although his children are quite a bit older).
However, not everyone is your brother.
People make choices and suffer the consequences.
Point is, if your brother had lived and all would be fine, you would probably say "I understand his choice."
And the fact of the matter is that way more people have lived and are fine than are not.
I'm sorry your brother belonged in that last category.
I hope you and your family, and his, find a way to deal with his loss, especially his daughter.
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That is what I have been telling people here at home since they declared this a pandemic last year.
The higher the number of people contaminated, the higher the probability of mutations (exponential growth). And with the increase of mutations the higher the probability of getting one that is even more dangerous.
And that the vaccine is not a cure, only protects the vaccinated and is not 100% effective at that.
Yet, I keep seeing people without mask laughing/insulting/beating others (like me) for wearing a mask all the time on the street (I wear it because you never know if someone is around the corner).
This week, an unvaccinated guy went into a store without mask and, when an employee called him to tell him that he had to wear a mask, the guy physically beat the employee who had to be transported to the hospital  . This is madness.
Just two hours ago, in the dinner time news, an expert in infectious diseases said they were tracking 30 new variants that are worst than the Delta variant  . If true, this will be a bleak Christmas and a poor 2022.
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Let's hope the current vaccines are up to the task.
We have, in the Québec province (like everywhere) an increase of new cases (*) , but it does not yet have an impact on new hospitalizations and deaths, but that usually comes a couple of weeks later. 
We currently have 180,000-ish kids between 5-11 already registered to get vaccinated for their first dose since the vaccine was available for them.
(*) Most new cases are kids under 12 and unvaccinated adults.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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The longer this COVID-19 problem persists, the more I think that this was purposely created to spread rapidly and to avoid vaccines created by any of the current vaccine technologies. I do not know if this was an attempt at a bioweapon, a mad scientist's revenge, an accident or something else.
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Given enough time, anything is possible. In this case, it's a continuous parade of variants because it's "not real"; as per the informed, reasonable and un-vaccinated.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Given enough time, anything is possible.
Not sure what you were thinking when you wrote your message, but this sentence can be used in both directions and I really am not sure which one you are referring and even less sure which one will get "possible".
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That'd be bad news and good news at the same time?
Good; because more Covid variations means they'll compete.
Bad; it would mean Covid is the next flu.
Very bad even. We are in the middle of a very aging population and a declining workforce. We'd need more inflation for that.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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So I tend to reboot the earth 
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Please do. Today if possible.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Inflation is bad too, did I mention that?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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The flu (a family of viruses which has many strains and genetic variations) has been around a long time and will always be around. The flu shot many people get is generally geared to 3 or 4 strains expected to be the most likely for a season.
There are a lot of viruses and bacteria (germs) that are always around. We deal with them. We have regularly taken vaccines for a number of them that are taken every 1, 2, or 3 years.
So why would the Wuhan virus the CCP gave the world be any different?
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Unleashed - Midgard Warriors for Life[^]
The Swedish Unleashed unleashed a new album upon the world!
They're one of the founding fathers of Swedish death metal and it's one of the few death metal bands I can get excited about.
Their 2004 album Sworn Allegiance is still one of my favorite metal albums ever (possibly because of a bit of nostalgia).
The new album is more of the same, but well executed, which is good news for fans of the band.
I've seen them live a few years ago and during their song Death Metal Victory I realized I'd seen them live before, some 12 years earlier
Anyway, a joy on album and on stage... "My warriors scream for me! Death metal victory!"
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Not trying to hijack your thread... but, just curious - are you interested in classical music? If yes, what type?
Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have. -Anon
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I do enjoy listening to Western Classical music too... 
There's a lot of (instruments only) Classical music - both Hindustani (North Indian) and Carnatic (South Indian) that you _may_ like listening to.
Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have. -Anon
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ChandraRam wrote: both Hindustani (North Indian) and Carnatic (South Indian) that you _may_ like listening to.
I'm always open for recommendations
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I'm watching The Office (USA) on Netflix and just yesterday Andy played that instrument that your nephew is playing
Your nephew is a lot better than Andy though
It reminds me a bit of the Civilization III soundtrack, I wouldn't be surprised if it featured that same guitar-thing.
Good stuff, all in all.
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