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"We are all very sad, but don't let the door hit you on the way out."
some high ranking EU official
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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On est toujours la! 
This isnt an anti Europe vote, its an anti Eurocrat/Brussels bureaucracy vote, so dont take it personally.
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I have very mixed up feelings about all that.
First, I am glad UK is out, because to me, they have never really been in, and having someone not wanting to play by the rules in a team isn't good in any way.
See my views here : [^]
This will however be more tough a time than the "Leave" side thinks : it is always more difficult to support a negative vote when it eventually turn out negative - protesting for the mere sake of protesting is always easier. I am very eager to know how they will handle the future.
On the other side, this will now be open doors for all the monkeys in France advocating for a leave, the pattern being "Look, UK has done it, so this is not it is possible", and this is already pissing me off before it ever started.
And while Pete and you argue the contrary, this is definitely and clearly an anti-Europe vote, by a majority of UK people : The ones interviewed this morning on the radio clearly said that UK is better off alone. I am fine with that, let's show what you (the interviewed people) can do "alone", but let me grab my popcorn first.
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Rage wrote: First, I am glad UK is out, because to me, they have never really been in,
100% true.
Rage wrote: clearly an anti-Europe vote, by a majority of UK people
OK. We don't feel 'European'. We don't identify as European. Some of us see ourselves as English, some see ourselves as Scottish, a few of us see ourselves as British. Not many see ourselves as European.
A lot of us feel closer to our American cousins than we do to Europeans. If we felt the EU was like the United States we would be behind it. But it isn't. It's an un-easy German-French alliance over the rest of Europe. It could be better - but it isn't. Some of those reasons are Britains fault - we have never had our heart in it like you said. Some our Frances fault - you will always hold Germany with suspicion - some are Germanys fault, it has appointed itself as the leader which was always going to be dodgy giving it's history.
Rage wrote: this is definitely and clearly an anti-Europe vote, by a majority of UK people
This is where I want to make my point. It wasn't ant-europe, it was anti-EU in it's current form. We are not a racist country, in fact we are one of the most tolerant. If the EU hadn't become the monster it has become - we would have stayed in. The main reason I think we voted out is that the last general election a lot of people voted for the Nationalist UKIP. To appease this Cameron gave us a referendum. He went to the EU asking for reform - he told them the Brits might leave if they didnt. The EU wasnt interested, they wanted to stay how they were. Look what they did to Greece. Look what they did to Italy. Forced them to sack their PM and replace him with an ex-Goldman Sachs banker.
Finally - Please forgive me for posting to you on a Friday night when I'm pissed. I feel like I've made my point but I know when I read this back tomorrow it's just gonna be a load of unintelligable sh*t 
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I agree 100% and will go further: The EU is a French-German models designed to avert war between those two countries and is no longer relevant in today's world.
Drunk or not, you certainly make more sense than a Eurocrat!
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Rage wrote: this is definitely and clearly an anti-Europe vote, by a majority of UK people
You are utterly wrong. 'Better off alone' means not part of the EU super state that it is becoming. It does not mean 'not part of Europe'. How many times does the UK have to save continental Europe from itself to prove that?
You talk of French dissatisfaction with the EU, you are not the only ones, many EU countries are close to calling a referendum on membership. Britain has lead the way and the others will follow.
The EU is a model based on early 20th century events and is no longer relevant to today. The big mistake the Eurocrats made not allowing the EU to adapt and change. It will suffer because of that, it already is, the UK leaving has put immense strain on the EU. It must eventually adapt or die, anyone can see that.
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In light of the Brexit vote and living in the South in the U.S., it will be interesting to see if the secescionists here start a new campaign.. this time via a referendum.
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Wait until the Scottish Referendum Part II later this year, so you have something you can point at and say "see?" 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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For Scotland is a breakaway from Great Britian only interesting, when the oil price is high. So dont be so optimistic. Not everybody is profiting from EU. Someone got to pay the bills for the bankster and EU-politicans...
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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If Scotland and Northen Ireland should both leave, it would make things interesting on the isles.
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Quote: ... it would make things interesting on the isles
Another continent or two?
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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I was thinking that, too.. E.U. passport to enter Scotland, but then what to enter England from Scotland?
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A certain group in Texas has been trying to convince everyone else in the state to secede from the union. The funny part is that all of the states are indeed sovereign countries, but everyone seems to have forgotten that.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Oh, well, if there's a Law that says a State can't then that's it. End of discussion.
After all, Laws are Unbreakable.
Or I am thinking of Bruce Willis? I get the two confused sometimes.
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GenJerDan wrote: Oh, well, if there's a Law that says a State can't then that's it. End of discussion.
Ok: so how could it happen? Would Gubberner Brown just declare that Kalifornia has seceded and that's it? Whilst all things are possible, some are more possible than others - your sarcasm is misplaced (though amusing).
GenJerDan wrote: I get the two confused sometimes.
FTFY
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Brown? Heck no. Wrong persuasion of politician. :p
Not gonna happen any time soon. It would take a lot bigger and more egregious effort at homogenization of the States to really get to the point of doing something other than grumbling.
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GenJerDan wrote: Brown? Heck no. Wrong persuasion of politician. :p
Was juts an example: I'm sure the Kalifornia commissar would not be up for secession.
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As well as Scotland, there is Northern Ireland as well having the possibility of a vote to re unite the emerald Isle! I am British and see this as a double edged sword for the Catholic Irish in the North, as if they lose will they get another vote? The same as in Northern Ireland might bode similar to that of Texas situation, in that you might only have one referendum granted!! Rhetorically, why does Texas not have a party like the SNP or Palid Cymru?
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This[^] on. No camera. No browser. No FB, twitter, others.
And just to adhere to current theme:
Brexit
Nigel
Scotland
EU
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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lw@zi wrote: No camera. No browser. No FB, twitter, others.
Good for you. Take back control of your life. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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This is just the second day I have stopped using smart phone. I have observed that almost everyone is looking something on the phone screen. Even people sitting in a group are not talking. Rather looking at phone.
Even when I had smart phone, I did not buy data*. So there was very little reason for me to take it out, look at something irrelevant or something I had seen already, keep it back in.
*Yes, it is true. I used to buy 25 MB of data when I really needed; which invariably was to book uber. Otherwise, nothing.
"You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[ ^]
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I was allowed to take the iPhone 4S with me, when I left the previous company. I would have not bought any smartphone at regular price.
Since then... I don't usually buy data. Don't use FB. Almost no App-Downloads. But I do find useful: Camera, Calender, Reminders and other basic staff like this.
Only thing I use is Whatsapp to chat / speak with my family when I am in Asia for work (I would prefer Threema, but almost noone in my social contacts use it). I have a local prepaid card where I buy data packages.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I find that a couple of apps are really useful and that I use many times a day.
Twitter, I follow
- Local National Weather Service office and Emergency Management office
- Local news stations, papers, and reporters
- A couple of national news services
- Katee Sackhoff (just because)
- Nathan Fillion (if they ever bring back Firefly, he'll be the first no know)
Robinhood, because who doesn't like trading stock with $0 commissions
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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I have noticed (compared to others) I really don't use the "smart" functions of my smartphone so much.
I do like having the camera, comes in handy from time to time.
Other than that, I check my mails once a day on it and that is just to clean up the spam / uninteresting mails (I read the others on my desktop when I get home).
And to have music, I refuse to listen to the add infested / nothing but talk radio stations in the car so...
It always bugs me to see people sitting at a table and doing nothing but looking at their phone, I'v even observed people sitting across from each other "talking" by using the phone (chat) rather than their voices.
Tom
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