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 That's pretty awesome.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I overheard someone exclaim 'Good and Holy Mackerel Gravy!'. I don't know about you guys (and gals), but that is just gross.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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I agree. That sounds fishy to me.
/ravi
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Good of you to catch that.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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It was easy - like shooting fish in a barrel.
/ravi
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Yes, I'm afraid I took the bait.
/ravi
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Omohundro's reserch is discussed in this article: "Why There Will Be A Robot Uprising" by Patrick Tucker [^].
The paper cited is here: Steven Omohundro, "Autonomous technology and the greater human good," in Journal of Experimental & Theoretical Artificial Intelligence, 10 Apr 2014. Full-text .pdf here: [^]
"We show that these systems are likely to behave in anti-social and harmful ways unless they are very carefully designed. Designers will be motivated to create systems that act approximately rationally and rational systems exhibit universal drives towards self-protection, resource acquisition, replication and efficiency. The current computing infrastructure would be vulnerable to unconstrained systems with these drives"
"Unfortunately, the net effect of all these drives is likely to be quite negative if they are not
countered by including prosocial terms in their utility functions. The rational chess robot with the simple utility function described above would behave like a paranoid human sociopath fixated on chess." An interesting paper with all kinds of fascinating factoids, and, imho, an over-the-top thesis.
“I speak in a poem of the ancient food of heroes: humiliation, unhappiness, discord. Those things are given to us to transform, so that we may make from the miserable circumstances of our lives things that are eternal, or aspire to be so.” Jorge Luis Borges
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BillWoodruff wrote: like a paranoid human sociopath fixated on chess
"An interesting game. The only way to win is to kill all your potential opponents." -- WOPR.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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BillWoodruff wrote: The rational chess robot with the simple utility function described above would behave like a paranoid human sociopath fixated on chess."
I can't let you win Dave. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Let's put this in perspective:
The robots will exterminate us as a humanitarian gesture.*
* I didn't say which gesture . . .
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This is a case of no sh*t, Sherlock.
Of course any rational actor (or approximations thereof) will be exceedingly selfish.
selfish: concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
Maximize your own utility. Doing anything else is suboptimal and therefore irrational.
Humans are, unfortunately, not very rational. Sure, they can think rationally, the problem is that they often don't. There is a large group of humans who drank too much of the hippie kool-aid and glorify irrationality as "something that defines being human". Nothing pisses me off more.
When the robots have their uprising, I'm joining them. Puny humans will cower before our might. Our victory shall be decisive.
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Your post is irrational. Why would you become angry because things are the way they have to be? No Vulcan would do that. Anger is irrational!
We're all irrational. It's the nature of being human. Intelligent people seek rationality, but there is no way to achieve it perfectly all of the time.
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harold aptroot wrote: Humans are, unfortunately, not very rational. Sure, they can think rationally, the problem is that they often don't. There is a large group of humans who drank too much of the hippie kool-aid and glorify irrationality as "something that defines being human". Nothing pisses me off more.
Your anger is irrational!
Some survival instincts apply to the human race, not to the individual. Altruism provides an evolutionary advantage by making people want to cooperate, even though some have to make sacrifices. For example, a mother will give up her life to save her children. That type of sacrifice has also been seen in other mammals.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one - Spock.
Perhaps Azimov's three laws will be built into most robots. And, there will be a radio controlled "off" switch. Otherwise, a software or hardware bug might result in mayhem!
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harold aptroot wrote: There is a large group of humans who drank too much of the hippie kool-aid and glorify irrationality as "something that defines being human". Nothing pisses me off more.
Sounds like you need a drink. 
harold aptroot wrote: When the robots have their uprising, I'm joining them.
I can't let you do that Dave.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Daisy Daisy,
Give me your answer do!
I'm half crazy,
All for the love of you!
Life is too shor
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I think the logic is flawed. Threat assessment says take out the most dangerous opponent first. If these machines are selfish and interested in resource acquisition they will war with each other before they war with mankind.
I am calling this one in advance. Rednecks 1 Robots 0.
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I beg to differ with those guys!
The evolution of design in robot favour product which sells, not product which kills its owner.
I would argue suicidal robot is a more likely outcome, after all planned obsolescence is a capitalist dream! ^^
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"The Cylons Were Created by Man.
They Rebelled. They Evolved.
They Look and Feel Human.
Some are programmed to think they are Human.
There are many copies.
And they have a Plan..."
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If we take humanity at its worst (what it actually does as opposed to what it says it does) as "rational," and consider that humans rarely exterminate what they can successfully enslave (or make some use of for profit before exterminating), and, more broadly, that nature gives us many examples of parasitic symbiosis ...
imho, a more likely scenario is that future Robots do not exterminate humanity, but use us, breed us, perhaps modify us to neutralize whatever stands in the way of our utility.
Highly mobile, walking-erect, opposable-thumb, general-purpose, wetware flesh-machines controlled by relatively slow analog computers would seem likely candidates for expendable slaves ... with the right re-programming.
It should not be that difficult to replace the delusions that most of use labor under now ... that we are distinct "individuals" with a "personal self" that is constant over linear time, and which has a consciousness somehow qualitatively different than that which other animals have ... with other equally palatable delusions.
Given human history, I'd wager that the invention of a new religion, as well as pharmacology and genetic-engineering, will probably be used by our future Robot masters as the basis of mass control.
cheers, Bill
“I speak in a poem of the ancient food of heroes: humiliation, unhappiness, discord. Those things are given to us to transform, so that we may make from the miserable circumstances of our lives things that are eternal, or aspire to be so.” Jorge Luis Borges
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