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Colin Mullikin wrote: For several months now, one of our testers has been pushing to get the OK and Cancel buttons switched in every single dialog in our application (roughly 200 dialogs). His only reasoning for this is that the way we do it (OK in bottom right corner, Cancel to the left of it) is the opposite of what Microsoft does throughout Windows(Cancel in bottom right corner, OK to the left of it).
That is his one and only reason. He fails to acknowledge that switching it will annoy the hell out of every single person that uses our software (thousands of people).
Testers don't write specs or or code. They test. That is all they do. As long as the interface adheres to the functional specs, the testers shouldn't even be talking about it. It wastes the team's time during the bug triage process. If the testers don't have functional specs to work from, that the Business Analyst's fault.
Colin Mullikin wrote: The next time he brings it up I might punch him in the face.
Ahhhhh, the Outlaw Programmer's favorite conflict resolution methodology. I like it. 
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I would not only punch you in the face, I'd probably break skull of anyone who tries to make me "think RTL"! 
Try asking your friends "Do you not need coffe?", "Are you not going home already?". After twenty or so times they'll stop talking to you or beat the [random code] out of you.
PS: is't not that tester's fault that he got dragged into gay community. 
PS/2: I think I'll start saving money so I can travel to where GTK developers gather and start a massacre
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I agree that it should have been standardized to match the platform (Windows) your software runs on. Changing it now would be an annoyance to your users initially, but they'd get used to that. That said, is it worth the time to do it? Well, you'd have to determine that.
That said, the appropriate thing to do is use your time machine to go back and tell your designers to do it "right " the first time. 
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So you don't use the "Default" MessageBoxes? Did you (your company) create special "MessageBoxes" with Cancel/OK too? 
If you did so - I hope you also created your own "MessageBoxButtons" enumeration (MessageBoxButtons.OKCancel MessageBoxButtons.CancelOK
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I agree with him. You should always try and follow what the OS does. And since your app's a Windows app, you need to do what Windows does, which is always OK on the left and Cancel to the right. It'll make it way way easier for your users when your app starts behaving like the rest of the OS.
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It doesn't matter if he's right or not. He's supposed to be testing functionality, not commenting on UI style. If the OK or Cancel buttons don't perform the desired function, then and only then should he comment on the buttons, and ONLY if those buttons are broken. He's a tester, not a UI designer.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: He's a tester, not a UI designer.
Most agile environments have requirements analysts who double up as first level QA. So if that's the case here, the tester is also the guy who can dictate specs.
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I've never participated in an environment where a *tester* was expected to dictate functional specs, and while testers may often question control layout, it's handled via email, and is NOT posted as a bug unless the control overlaps another control or inhibits other form functionality.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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In every other application it is the reverse OK on left cancel on right, so I agree with him.
I think users will inevitable hit Cancel when they mean OK on your app. If they are using your app more than other apps, then they will accidentally hit Cancel on the other apps when they mean OK. So this is a valid and a smart reasoning.
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Poor OP. Came here for sympathy, and got just the opposite 
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In consistency with the OS, you should switch the buttons, in consistency with the current user base, you should punch his face... 
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Ask him t present a full proposal, with costing.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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He should re-apply for a job as a product engineer instead of QA, then he can change it and answer to the customers who don't like the change.
"And when I have understanding of computers, I shall be the Supreme Being!"
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And Peter Capaldi was the Doctor with WHO. Coincidence? Hmmm? I think not. It's a conspiracy.
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Yep, he went from Who Doctor to Doctor Who within 6 months.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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What's on third.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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No, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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How Long is a chinaman's name.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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How High is his brother.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Low Blow is the sister.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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She... no, I decided not to say it. Let's keep it clean, people!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I think I spot a grammatical error here. It should be "Who IS the World Health Organization?"
(If you had asked about the WTO, it would be "Who WAS the WTO?" I saw this documentary movie called "The Yes Men", where it was reported at the end of the movie that the WTO had decided that they would terminate all WTO operations and dissolve the organization.  The movie is highly recommended.)
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Very nice 
According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.
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