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Chris Maunder wrote: Evidently we're...challengingchallenged.
FTFY
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Chris Maunder wrote: Have you tried looking at it from the point of view of someone trying to argue with a software developer?
Not to mention, real women don't like to argue. It's childish. It's little girls that never grew up that do.
Jeremy Falcon
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I beg to differ, I am easy to get along with. I don't mind my company at all. Everyone else though... 
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Eh, he, guessed the punch line. 
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: neither works
It would not matter anyway.... you would still be wrong. 
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But which leads to make-up sex?
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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The other way.
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Alas. 
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Have Microsoft binned Aero, like they did with Silverlight. Finally realised that XP front end (start button etc.) was good, I mean having had an interface that has worked for over 10 years there has to be something good about it.
The everything works the same way(?) only works if the devices are designed that way (i stuff), I think for a long time apple was haemorrhaging money for a while wasn't it? Microsoft seemed to try to copy OSx (Vista) got it wrong went back (Win 7) and are trying again (Win 8)... My mum is happy with Windows 2000 (she got use to XP) and Windows 8 has led to phone calls along the lines 'I logged off, the thing is still flashing at me'.
 as was said yesterday Aero, Ribbon, Win 8 (desktop, start button, who needs 'em) got there marching orders.
Glenn
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Wouldn't it be pure speculation at this point?
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Quote: Wouldn't it be pure speculation at this point?
Oh yes, if it wasn't I wouldn't need a job! However the Windows phone is too late to compete against the Droids & iPhones on anything but a corporate level (Blackberry etc.) the only real option is to kit out your staff with an iPhone/iPad (as "Google isn't very secure" to quote a customer of ours).
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I think it came down to battery life didn't it, they found that they could squeeze more life out of a battery when aero was turned off, so they turned it off for everybody for a laugh
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Never really used Aero, so I can't comment.
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Have you watched the latest Apple keynotes where they go on and on and ON about their "translucent, in context" UI - aka Aero?
I found the irony delicious.
However, I love Aero - I think it really does provide a sense of context in that you get a hint of what's underneath. I think apple have actually taken it too far in that it feels like it's used too much and is too distracting, but Microsoft pulling it completely out of Win8 seemed backwards. Their reasoning was that it was looking old and tired, but I always felt that the Metro design, as it was implemented, would look retro very, very quickly. Too stark, too cold, too clinical.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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+5 forpointing out the irony.
Yet I always felt Aero to be pointless. It does give nice cues, but only when you have bulky borders which reduce space for content. With minimal borders and typical applications, the additional cues are near zero.
I understand the Metro design as a "reset to zero": what is the minimum UI we actually need. Instead of stacking more jewelry on the pig, get rid of the pig.
Iteratively adding in not-so-useless-after-all features (like an accessible shut down button  ) could actually be considered as "Microsoft listening to users", but that would destroy the Microsoft Sucks narrative.
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peterchen wrote: Yet I always felt Aero to be pointless.
I've always liked Aero. Is it basically eye candy? Of course, but so what? If I have to work with an OS all day (as long as it's functional) I prefer it has a bit of style and beauty. Kinda like a woman...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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To stick with your comparison: it made most apps look like a very boring woman with a lot of expertly applied makeup. That's nice as decoration, but not so much to work with.
But yeah, I see that this is a personal preference. If someone is having fun with it, why not? It also doesn't really *hurt* me to work with it.
Still, I prefer Metro - just seeing icons being icons (instead of a professionally lighted 3D salad of more pixels than my first screen had) is kind of a relief.
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peterchen wrote: Still, I prefer Metro - just seeing icons being icons (instead of a professionally lighted 3D salad of more pixels than my first screen had) is kind of a relief.
I've only ever "played" with it (on a VM) back when the Win 8 Preview came out. Didn't care for the live tile concept at all! The tile concept in general on a desktop seemed forced and counter-intuitive. But then again... I'm old. 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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The tiles are my full-screen start menu, no more.
The "flat" style extends to the desktop, trhough - which is what I'm happy about; I never could get used to the Office Ribbon - only starting with the 2013 "Metroish" style I am actually starting to like it. Same goes for the general WIndows UI: less makeup.
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It's a right royal pain in the arse if you have to take screenshots.
I don't want to show customers pictures of windows with horrible rounded corners and hints of porn in the background.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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After using Windows 8 at my last job, it wasn't the start menu I missed (I didn't to my surprise) but Aero.
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And, if they don't change things, people start complaining about stagnant and old technology and needs a facelift and what have you done for me lately and and and....
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Every time there's a Windows release, there are problems with drivers and hardware/software compatibility.
Do I think MS should spend 300,000,000 hours on making the UI all arty-farty, when those problems exist?
Who's the project manager? Tell him to report to my office.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Who's the project manager? Tell him to report to my office.
He's on the phone with MSI and ATI and nVidia and Creative and HP and. . ., yelling "Will you guys PLEASE stop taking shortcuts with your drivers and stick to the @#&%! specs we sent you?!"
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It made me think that Microsoft has 127,000 employees. They are laying off 5000; about 4%. Do note, though, that four years ago, there were 93,000 employees at Microsoft.
Last year, in two separate layoffs three months apart, the company I was working for laid off about 30% of their workforce. At my prior company, the big layoff, due to a buyout, was somewhere between 20% and 30% (though the morale was so bad, another 20%-plus quit over the next year.) Going back six years, the layoff at that company was maybe 5%, but was a whopping 60% of the team I was on. Going back eleven years to the dot-com crash, the layoff was 100% when the company ceased to be.
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