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The next bit of trouble I get for thinking mainstream religion is even sillier than the FSM will be the first. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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What do Finite State Machines have to do with it? Shirley you don't find them silly?
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I think the hate is more of a red state thing... At least in New York City, no one really cares. I'm an atheist, and the most I ever get after telling someone (If it comes up in conversation) is a shrug. I figure, just give it some time... The kids these days are pretty screwed up, but it sounds like they're seeing through the smoke and incense on this one.
So yeah, the US is a little screwy on the whole mysticism thing, but we're moving in the right direction. Europe just has a head start on us... I know we're supposed to be the best at everything, because that's what the men in suits on the magic screen keep telling us, but this time we're lagging a bit behind...
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I live in one of the reddest and most religious states. I am not a believer and nobody cares. I've spoken with other non-believers who complain about being persecuted, but that's because they see persecution at every corner in every comment and won't shut the hell up--their dogma is even more oppressive than the dogma they oppose.
It's just like the person in your office who won't shut up about how great or rotten Mac, Agile, Windows, Unix, Python, Subversion, C++, .NET, Microsoft etc. are. (Remember the, "There is no Windows 9!" guy? Yeah, like that.)
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True religion is about transcending the human condition - Martin Luther got this. Unfortunately in Europe and the UK in particular religion was hijacked for political ends. In light of what atrocities British monarchs committed in the name of religion many people there did not want to be associated with those atrocities and therefore churches by extension (to be clear the UK was not alone in the atrocities). The eventual evolution of this: the modern atheist.
The logical inconsistencies aside (faulting the church for the actions of kings/queens), we in the US simply have never had your European problems because we learned from your country's mistakes. We had the benefit of the UK/Europeans' experience.
The atheists I have spoken with, many of whom are good friends (I stood up and ones wedding) generally have not thought things out very well from what I can tell. They actually come off as very insecure people, you know needing to cast aspersions on others in order to cement their own beliefs; they are not confident in their beliefs on their beliefs own merit.
One of the things I have found most interesting is the most intelligent highly educated people I know (think PHD's in science engineering medical) are all believers. Every single one.
modified 4-Aug-14 11:28am.
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Just grin and nod and ignore it. And try not to roll your eyes.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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The article is nonsense. This issue isn't being an atheist, it's being an annoying loud mouth who sees insult at every corner. People who seek out being martyrs become martyrs, regardless of their beliefs.
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No not Lech Wałęsa[^]. 
What was Microsoft's worst version of Windows?[^]
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btw if you're running Windows 7 and having driver problems, i.e. using unsigned drivers check the utility on that site out. I've been using it for years to be able to load unsigned drivers and use them on my system.
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Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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I don't think Windows Vista is/was actually a bad OS, it was just away ahead of it's time hardware specs wise.
I mean the requirements for 7/8 are basically the same, but when Vista came out a Core 2 Duo was considered high end, DDR2 RAM was standard and hard drives sucked speed wise (no SSD's). OEM's also took liberties as labelling their machines as Vista ready when they weren't, and made the problem much much worse by loading the machines with poorly coded crapware. A clean install gave any new Vista machine a 30-40% speed boost. If I had to choose between having to use an XP machine, and having to use a Vista machine, I would go for the Vista one.
If you install Vista today on a modern machine and install all of the updates etc, it's performance/stability is on par with 7/8, hell Windows 7 is 90% Vista code wise.
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I just realised Windows 8 is on there, ranked alongside Vista, despite being the most stable/solid/fastest version of Windows to date. Yeah it has some crappy UI elements, but in many ways the best version of Windows yet!
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HomerTheGreat wrote: I just realised Windows 8 is on there, ranked alongside Vista, despite being the most stable/solid/fastest version of Windows to date.
I agree. 
HomerTheGreat wrote: Yeah it has some crappy UI elements,
I am actually warming up to the metro modern design. At first I continued to use the old desktop applications but now I am switching over a lot of my preferences to Windows 8 apps as the default. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I think it's a great pool, it shows that people have no clue.
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Check your first link. It leads to a 404.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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Try spelling Lech's name correctly.
Dave.
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Apparently during our self employment doing PC service, Windows ME stuck a chord with my wife as she is hair trigger quick of late that ME was the worst!. Bless her little device managing heart.
I say Vista as there is still a little bit of it's m-u-d s-l-o-g-g-i-n-g slowness in windows 7.
Thankfully they threw off the shackles of the aero glass interface (WE DON'T NEED THAT!) in 8 (It screams like a raped ape) but we have what we have with that now don't we now?
XP rules all that does not suck y'all! 
I don't know what is wrong with M.S. - That have what they have in the dominance of business from the factory floor to boutiques on the mall then the dink around like they do.
:Ron
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I would rank ME as the worst.
Vista I think was a victim of lack of driver availability when launched and the rubbish hardware OEM's shipped it on. Plus some of the security enhancements (UAC) peeved a lot of people.
I'm fine with 8. Fast & stable. Dunno why people have a problem with it (cue slanging match). Win 8 RT Tablet at home (so swipey swipe interface) and I have a Win 8 desktop at the office with Classic Desktop installed so no tiles there as not needed.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Mike Hankey wrote: What was Microsoft's worst version of Windows?
1.0 and it flatlined from there although XP was ok.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I even used Windows 98(but not windows 95).
Windows 98 took few minutes to copy a simple file. I had enough patient until it finished copying.
Now, Windows 8 does it in seconds, But I cannot tolerate those seconds.
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Recent...Vista. I don't really care for the excuses, being ahead of hardware, etc. It was crap. It pushed security onto the user rather than being a secure system.
The user interface was crap, the drivers were a no-show and the user experience was a dud.
I started around DOS 2, to DOS 6.0, and Win 3.1 on top of DOS (played a bit with win 286, but it was mostly unusable) and onwards. I didn't care for Win 95, 98 was OK, ME wasn't bad, nothing really noteworthy, XP was OK, but after Vista, they had 7, which was pretty decent....and then building on that bridge out of the gutter, MS produced 8.
Win 8 is the modern Vista incarnate. Why do I need a 17" (laptop user) calculator with 5 functions. I had that in 1973 and in a much smaller package. FFS, Win used to be (at least) cooperative multitasking even at Win 3.11, which was a DOS overlay, now it is a single threaded POS.
New paradigm, BS. Even Vista understood that, even if every 2 minutes it asked for verification to do anything....
Win 8 stability is good, functionality/usability is sh*t.
8.1 and 8.11 hasn't done much to solve the user experience. It is fundamentally flawed on anything with a real keyboard.
Just IMHO.
Ken
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I've had Ubuntu installed on a VM and been using it occasionally but recently I got a Beaglebone Black and have really made an effort to learn Linux and I find it an enjoyable experience. I'm not going to switch but I am going to start using Linux more.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Mike Hankey wrote: 've had Ubuntu installed on a VM
Enjoyable, and add refreshing! I have played with various versions of Linux since Mandrake (pre-mandriva) in the mid 90's, but still the apps that I need/use are not there yet, although WINE is shrinking the prime list quickly, but then there is the driver support...
I have always thought that Linux will only go mainstream if (THE) games were being made for it, pulling the next generation towards it. Steam's recent move might make that a reality.
My old work XP notebook is now an (USB boot) Ubuntu box that just works well. Even with just the stock apps. Unfortunately it falls apart when trying to work with Tektronics or Agilent test equipment which is where I make my living.
Hmm...thinking I need a BB to play with....
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Yeah I've tried different versions since probably 93? and it keeps getting better.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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The APT, RPM's and YUM apps make downloading and building apps pretty easy, a long way from trying to fulfill all of the dependencies/frustrations of the early versions.
What are you planning with the BBB? I have a RPI that I haven't dug into yet, but it's on the radar.
Ken
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I've had the BBB for a while but been doing a lot of traveling. I dug it out the other day and started getting serious with it but upgraded computer so am reinstalling a sh*t load of stuff so it will be a couple more days before I can get back into it.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Mike Hankey wrote: been doing a lot of traveling
Yes, seen you have been doing a bit of traveling about the US. Please let us know what you do with the BBB....think I need to get one and compare it to the RPI
Ken
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I've got a Pi too but the BBB is much better. I may do a comparison of some kind???
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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