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DaveAuld wrote: for my change in a years time
Already ? Didn't you just get a new one a couple of years ago ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Yep, I took it on a 3 year deal with option to buy or return. With the new model coming out next year my intention was always to return and either go for the new model or the next model up.
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DaveAuld wrote: 3 year deal with option to buy or return
Is this worth it ? As I drive a lot, I have already contemplated this option, but never bothered to really calculate if it is worth it (I mean from the money point of view, for I understand it saves you the hassle of reselling, handling, etc...)
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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What you are ultimately doing is gambling against future value. With the car industry so fickle nowadays, high end models typically get a refresh every 2 years and a new release every 4 years. This can have a big impact on resell value. Get the timings wrong and you could also be stuck with a car for longer than planned as you try to offload it privately or give in to poor trade in value.
Also, take it before the warranty period and if you want piece of mind you would need to take out extended warranties which can be over £1000 per year. My M3 extended warranty was £1200 per annum. I didn't bother with one for the RS4 and just before I sold it, the cam tensioner failed and the repair bill was £5K, but Audi UK gave a 50% contribution as goodwill considering the low mileage of the car and wouldn't have expected this compontent failure in that duration.
Add to this the technology involved nowadays, there is very little the end user can do to cars without diagnostic equipment and speacialist tools.
Based on this factors and the benefit of getting a new car every 3 years I certainly plan to take my next one on the same option. This was the first time I have ever leased and happy with how the numbers stack up. Taking the lease option gave me a ~£7000 dealer contribution of the effective price which as you can imagine makes a big difference. Looking at the market and taking into account anothr year to go, the final payment should I wish to retain the car is higher than the car value, so it doesn't make sense to retain.
As for the wifes car, the lease option there also includes 3 years free servicing (i.e. the lease duration) and a dealer contribution.
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Is having a shiny new car every couple years worth being the sucker who always ends up taking the biggest loss as the car gets old (as an investment new cars have a return only slightly worse than dead Nigerian princesses bank accounts). If you do, leasing can be more predictable in cost than buying/selling; but you end up taking on a different set of risks. If you run into cashflow problems in the future, you can generally hold onto a car you've paid for a few years longer than planned to avoid having a car payment. With a lease you're shackled onto the monthly payment treadmill indefinitely. Also, at least in the US, leases have maximum mileage caps (typically 10-12k/year for the advertised price) and nasty surcharges when you return the car for going over. If you end up driving more than expected you could end up having to not use the car at all for some months at the end of the lease or pay a penalty that ends up eating the monthly difference between leasing and buying several times over.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: Is having a shiny new car every couple years worth being the sucker who always ends up taking the biggest loss as the car gets old
I think you got exactly my point, hence my question.
Dan Neely wrote: nasty surcharges when you return the car for going over
Same here.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I lost an XP VM so am having to reinstall and the XP disk I have is XP Pro SP2 which I bought in ?2009? and so have it installed and an trying to do updates and it errors out. WTF uSoft just because it's 5 or so years old and probablky 2000 updates behind and ou don't support anymore? I mean! 
God I hate fresh installs but once there done I love them.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Mike Hankey wrote: there
Where?
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Hear!
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Now, now, you no better than that... 
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I doe?
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Yes, you buoys really need too learn two reed.
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That wood re-choir weigh two lung.
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Make me think of a poem it does. 
I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you,
On hiccough, thorough, lough and through?
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps,
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird,
And dead: it's said like bed, not bead -
For goodness sake don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt).
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother,
And here is not a match for there
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose -
Just look them up - and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword,
And do and go and thwart and cart -
Come, come, I've hardly made a start!
A dreadful language? Man alive!
I'd mastered it when I was five!
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I enjoyed that thanks. Here is anothery..
We must polish the Polish furniture.
He could lead if he would get the lead out.
The farm was used to produce produce.
The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
The soldier decided to desert in the desert.
This was a good time to present the present.
A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
I did not object to the object.
The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
The bandage was wound around the wound.
There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
They were too close to the door to close it.
The buck does funny things when the does are present.
They sent a sewer down to stitch the tear in the sewer line.
To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
After a number of injections my jaw got number.
Upon seeing the tear in my clothes I shed a tear.
I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
I read it once and will read it agen
I learned much from this learned treatise.
I was content to note the content of the message.
The Blessed Virgin blessed her. Blessed her richly.
It's a bit wicked to over-trim a short wicked candle.
If he will absent himself we mark him absent.
I incline toward bypassing the incline.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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CANDIDATE FOR A PULLET SURPRISE
I have a spelling checker,
It came with my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot sea.
Eye ran this poem threw it,
Your sure reel glad two no.
Its vary polished in it's weigh.
My checker tolled me sew.
A checker is a bless sing,
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when eye rime.
Each frays come posed up on my screen
Eye trussed too bee a joule.
The checker pours o'er every word
To cheque sum spelling rule.
Bee fore a veiling checker's
Hour spelling mite decline,
And if we're lacks oar have a laps,
We wood bee maid too wine.
Butt now bee cause my spelling
Is checked with such grate flare,
Their are know fault's with in my cite,
Of nun eye am a wear.
Now spelling does knot phase me,
It does knot bring a tier.
My pay purrs awl due glad den
With wrapped word's fare as hear.
To rite with care is quite a feet
Of witch won should bee proud,
And wee mussed dew the best wee can,
Sew flaw's are knot aloud.
Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays
Such soft wear four pea seas,
And why eye brake in two averse
Buy righting want too pleas.
Eye halve a spelling checker
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques for my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it to say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
It's rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
Eye am shore your pleased two no
It's letter perfect awl the weigh
My checker tolled me sew.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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Know Whey!
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Where have you been? Dropping support means dropping support.
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Can you define dropping? 
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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To paraphrase:
'E's passed on! This OS is no more! It has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-OS!!
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No it's running just fine in a VirtualBox VM, by god never say die!
BTW Also have Visual C++6.0 running. 
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Mike Hankey wrote: Also have Visual C++6.0 running
I did that for a while to built some old software. Despite some of it's problems, it felt like a Ferrari compared to modern Visual Studio. (So, when Microsoft said that "10 was the next 6", I said "not even close.")
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I originally installed it to be able to work from home on a project that I supported/maintained/programmed at my last job. It's a good IDE but I like VS2010 better, even though it does have it's problems.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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