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If Win7/8.1 works for ya, you can probably stick with them for now.
I recently bought the latest and greatest Lenovo P70 workstation (64 GB of RAM!), and for this one, I honestly had to upgrade to Win10 due to the fact that my monitor is 4K. There was no Win8 option on my case, and Win7 doesn't handle 4K well at all.
When you upgrade to Win10, you'll have to do quite a bit of configuration tweaking to make it work to your liking, but it can certainly be done. One thing I hate A LOT about Win10 is the startup time - it's worse than Win8 on my previous laptop. So basically this laptop, should pretty much be at least 4X times my previous laptop in power, but doesn't really act like it.
I wish you the best of luck if you decide to "upgrade" (instead of a clean install).
All in all, win10 is nice, and at some point you will have to upgrade. But at this point, I don't see many advantages over win8.1, other than the UI looks a bit nicer.
Best,
John
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My WinX startup time is < 1 second. Push the power button and BAM! Login Screen.
And that is from a complete shutdown and cold start.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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SSD I bet you have. :yodavoice:
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Yup. And a HDD for data that spins up in < 1 second.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I do have an SDD as well - quite a good one, I might add. Still takes a few seconds to boot.
When you get to the login screen, that is also slower than Win8.1.
After that, loading the startup programs, that is a bit faster than Win8, but not by much.
Best,
John
-- Log Wizard - a Log Viewer that is easy and fun to use!
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I had that issue, but an update fixed it. Logging in takes about 1.3 seconds, and everything is ready to roll.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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The only time my machines ever get shut down is for installs/updates, so I've never seen what all the fuss is, about boot times.
So it takes a minute, two minutes, three minutes. Who cares? It's something that 99% of people are unlikely to do more than once a day.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I am loving it!
Definitely better than W8(.1)
Windowed UWP App are a must! 
As for W7, I think it's better too, but to be fair I haven't used W7 in a loooong time. But I seems to recall it was prone to degraded performance. Which W10 is not.
BTW, I upgraded my system (instead of clean install).
my only problem is that some app disappeared, including Windows Live Mail (now gave in using Outlook)
Other than that it didn't leave the system in a messy state at all.
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Quite funny! I was about to post the exact question.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Then they say it's windows 10 the one who is spying on you... of course they are not aware of my skills... 
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Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I've got one machine that came with win10, and it convinced me not to "upgrade".
Let me know if you decide to do it, and I'll put together a list of tools that can get you back some of the functionality that they killed, while they were so busy making "improvements" that don't work.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I think this could be like words from the messiah for me.
I have my whole thing set up on W8.1 and it's pretty solid and 100% problem free. Everything is going smooth. I was thinking should I even consider moving to W10 with that luring blue color ads. I do have a bunch of spare machines. I'd better try it out there first. 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Just doing it right now...
Can you post that tool list? 
Thank you! 
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OK, I've had a mooch through my "In" box of downloaded progs, and found a few addies:
I imagine you already know of Classic Shell:
Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements[^]
This is a combination of several of the tools I used (I had to find them one at a time, so I'm grumpy, now), perhaps my favourite being the ones that let you see where one window ends and the next begins, by giving you back title-bar colours for both active and inactive windows.
Winaero - Free small and useful software for Windows[^]
It's pretty damned powerful, so I'd recommend setting up a dummy user account to try things out on, before committing the changes to your main account.
This one lets you choose to disavail yourself of some of the new "helpful" stuff (that eats through your bandwidth, system resources, and patience):
Win10 Spy Disabler: Disable Telemetry and Data Collection on Windows 7, 8, 10[^]
Nirsoft has a lot of very useful tools, but this one lets you check what the various new "helpful" services are doing internally to your machine (and fix it):
RegFromApp - Generate RegEdit .reg file from Registry changes made by application[^]
This one stops Edge from taking control of everything, every five minutes:
Edge Blocker v1.1[^]
This is the prog that MS themselves had to release, because they were pissing so many people off:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930[^]
This one was even essential for Win 7:
ShellFolderFix - Download[^]
... And if you use MS Office 2007+:
UBit Schweiz: UBitMenu International Languages[^]
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Thanks from me!
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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It's also worth taking a stroll through the registry, if there are any settings that you used to use on 7/XP/3/etc.
e.g. HKCU\Control Panel\Colors still has all the options that used to be in the dialog that controlled what windows look like (colors/icon spacing/border widths/etc) -- I haven't worked on white "paper" for decades, so I was glad to find that HKCU\Control Panel\Colors\Window allowed me to use the pale green I've been using since Win 3.
If you do use registry changes, though, save a new "Theme" in the Personalise thingy as soon as you've finished, so that when some of the settings get lost (at least once a day), you can get them back by simply reapplying the theme.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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From Win 8 / 8.1, Win 10 is an upgrade.
From Win 7 ... it's a bit of an ungrade.
It works, and it's stable...but it's pig ugly and frequently annoying. It just doesn't have the "together" feel that Win 7 does - the newer style apps are a PITA as they are designed for morons with huge fingers on a small phone. The Mail app is total rubbish - Live Mail from the Windows Essentials pack is much better.
Boot up is faster than Win 7, if that matters to you and you don't have an SSD.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: morons with huge finger
And can you confirm how long it takes for the Store App to load? I would like to know is it just because of internet bandwidth/Geography/some other fact OR it's poorly done by MS. In almost all the machines I have, the Windows Store App (One of the Metro-"style" app) takes minutes to load. How critical this is for MS if it wants it's Store Apps to succeed. How recklessly it's done. unbelievable. Can you please post the time it takes for you to load it?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I don't normally go there, so I have no idea.
But...in the interests of science!
About 4 to 5 seconds - but that's from my SSD, where VS 2013 takes about 7 seconds to open itself and a solution, and be ready to type into, if that helps comparisons.
(This is on a dual core 3.2 GHz with 4GB RAM)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Irony, I have to live with that.
And guess what? This load time issue has been there, every since they released W8. How stupid it is to ignore the performance of this critical app? Yes, none of us would have a reason to go there. But MS is trying to hard to position it well among home users. And some of the Apps have a reasonable download count. If this Application is the landing place for every other app listing, how quick this has to load. So reckless!  App is done with WinJS. And somewhere in their article they were boasting that WinJS is used in a real application in Windows. That just proved futile. I think they should re-write these core Apps in C++.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I opened it by accident once, and it popped right up, fully loaded, in about 1 second.
Haven't opened it since.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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OriginalGriff wrote: morons with huge fingers on a small phone
... Who manage to send SMSs at a rate of knots, despite the OSK keys being a quarter of the size of normal toolbar buttons!
It's the whole concept that's moronic, not the users.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I updated two manufacturer built PC's in place. One from 7 to 10, the other from 8.1. Running for some 4/5 months now with no problems.
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years ago when I was doing Visual FoxPro I used to subscribe to Code Magazine[^].
Does anyone here read it? Do you get any real useful info from it?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
modified 20-Apr-16 16:35pm.
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