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Original or Judas Priest's cover?
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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In either case:
Johnny be good! 
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If you (a programmer) are discussing pros and cons, then that means the decision is not up to you anyway
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I think its time for new essay...
Go too Considered Harmful 
(I'll fetch my coat)
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Rob Grainger wrote: (I'll fetch my coat)
Thanks Rob but don't worry. I will get it for you.
I did laugh though......
THX
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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Looked at it & did a little test harness with it a while back, but (despite some really nice features like goroutines) it didn't quite hit the mark for me. I'm currently writing some stuff in Rust[^], which I like for a variety of reasons - one being the strong, static type system. Oh - and the surrounding tooling (Cargo[^], the all in one project scaffolder/package manager/build tool/test runner, and rustup[^], which lets you manage installed versions of the compiler toolchain) is excellent.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
modified 8-Jul-16 3:48am.
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At my last employer, a colleague and I had to learn Golang (what Go is usually called online, because have you ever tried to google a two letter word? I doesn't work out well, usually) to build a API interface for our employer's cloud hosting API. It was to allow another company (Rancher) to be able to deploy Docker containers onto our employer's infrastructure fairly seamlessly.
Learning it and using it was both maddening and enlightening at the same time. First off, we were able to learn it well enough to write our interface after the first week. We then spent another couple of weeks building the interface, then another week polishing it, writing unit tests, etc. Over a few succeeding months we had to make a few changes here and there, but overall it was done and "ship-able". My only regret during the whole exercise was that we were pair-programming to learn and support each other during the entire project, and it was under my colleague's account - so my name hardly (never?) appears in the github project. Oh well, c'est la vie I guess.
It was maddening because Golang enforces the most strict rules you can imagine on you as part of the idea of avoiding bugs by not introducing any. One that really "got us" was the fact that you can't declare a variable, then never use it. You must use it subsequently, or the compiler will hate you. There are ways to get around this, but such means actually make things more difficult for you in the end.
There was also the weird way of how the language isn't object oriented - it is closer to being a modularized functional language (think Javascript and Require.js) than anything else; wrapping our heads around that took a bit of cringing and whining, but we didn't have a choice in the manner, so we soldiered on.
There was another issue we ran into, that had to do with data structures. Golang is fairly strict there; how they are organized on the Golang side (and typed) needs to be the same as what you were pulling from elsewhere; if they didn't match, you had to fix one or the other. Our problem was that our employer's API was originally developed in PHP (we also had a small hand in it - that was our main job - but most of it was there long before we were employed there - legacy code, right?) - and the RESTful interface spat back JSON encoded data that wasn't consistent from call-to-call. This was maddening - we couldn't change the results from the API to make it easier for the Golang side, because that would have broken anyone's code who used the original PHP and RESTful API call. We couldn't coerce the Golang side of things, because the compiler would barf on that (it really didn't like things we tried). In the end, we had to write a "shim wrapper" in PHP to sit in front of the API, and then it would recognize when we were calling that wrapper, and coerce the output into something manageable. Not pretty, but it worked. It also taught us that concise and consistent data structures are damn important. This isn't something we didn't know already, but it was something the original coders of that API didn't know; honestly, we wanted to re-write the entire API, but you can imagine how that sat with management...
That said, over a relatively short amount of time, we grew to appreciate and love this rigidity of the compiler. This system did it's job, in our opinion. It was designed to up-front prevent common coding errors and problems, and not allow you to compile the code into a runnable executable until you had fixed that code. Furthermore, unit testing was pretty much built into the language, and made setting up and working with such tests a breeze (compared to what we had experienced using PHPUnit - which, unfortunately, was a problem from the beginning, because of the way it was implemented in our employer's system - not really a fault of PHPUnit). In time, using Golang showed us just how bug-prone and ridden our PHP code was, and how much better it could be, if we followed certain practices that were explicitly enforced by Golang's compiler.
We tried to adopt these practices, to encourage our direct team to use them (all of them were on board), but we couldn't completely convince our direct supervisor, and we didn't really have the time to fix our entire codebase either - so the effort withered on the vine. Ultimately, the company got sold, the developers were re-hired by the new company, and my direct supervisor and I left (I don't know his situation, but they basically offered me over 10 percent less in salary than I was making, and I was already far below industry standard in my current job market).
After leaving, two months passed and I managed to find another job making close to 30 percent more than I was there, and I now work for a company I hope values me for my skills and abilities. But I am not so naive as to think that is completely true, and that I won't be dropped like a rock should business needs change or something else occurs. Sad, but that's reality.
Overall - give Golang a shot - play with it. I think it to be a worthwhile language to experience and have on your toolbelt for the future. You may never use it at an employer, but then again - if you work with Docker (or any company using Docker tools) - you very well might. I hope this helps!
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I'm just wondering what percentage of CP members can't pronounce "Cymru".
I'm betting that the number would start with a lot of nines.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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not the aquatic mammal types, or though that might be more appropriate if they were playing Japan or Norway!
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It would depend a bit on what's acceptable I suppose.
If I were to pronounce it like the Toyota, but with the 'R' I' m used to in Sweden, would that get accepted?
But I suppose I would be cheating, I've been to Wales.
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I shall leave it to our man on the spot, Griff, to fill in the details, and only say "Kumbaya Revisited".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I once heard a BBC presenter pronounce it "kimroo". 
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Don't worry. He was taken out by the Pronunciation Unit and shot shortly thereafter. There is no excuse for mispronunciation at the Beeb. I once read Donal as Donald in a piece I used to do for Radio Berkshire (in its first incarnation). Fortunately it wasn't live or I might not be here to tell the tale. I still bear the scars. :shiver:
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Ack, the Beeb's had a regional-accent fetish for the past decade or so. Half the presenters talk like they were just let out of borstal.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This was actually about 30 or so years ago, as it was on a children's TV show. When my children were of an age, and the eductation experts decided that there was no need to teach anything any more.
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Oh, I was caught at just the right time, for the "them who can't" idiots.
I could read and write before I went to infant school (not quite as well as I can now, but I got by), but the "them as can't" geniuses decided that that was the year they were going to use ITA, a completely ridiculous not-at-all-phonetic-really written language to teach children to write.
I was taken out of the school and packed off to public school, after I took a hand-made Mothers' Day card home that my mother couldn't read.
f*****g morons.
And I wrote left-handed, before going to school, but they forced me to write right-handed, so my handwriting has always been terrible.
f*****g, f*****g morons.
The only people more stupid than teachers are their students -- and that's the teachers' fault!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: but they forced me to write right-handed
Only one person ever tried that with me, but I politely refused.
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But when you're only five years old, you don't realise that teachers are morons, so you do as they tell you.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Personally, I've always found something sinister about lefties.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Whereas Dexters are serial killers.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's easy to pronounce...uhm...
*tap tap tap*
*Googling cymru pronunciation*
*click*
There you go: How to Pronounce Cymru - YouTube[^] 
I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone - Bjarne Stroustrup
The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke!
My code has no bugs, it runs exactly as it was written.
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MarcusCole092076 wrote: Wales by a whisker Griffsker!!
FTFY.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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The nefarious subliminal messages now saturating media from the goat conspiracy reach a new low here, where they not only violate sheep, that much maligned, and oft-violated species, but also reveal their aspirations to be treated like dogs ! [^].
This wholesale re-write of the history of animal-husbandry and domestication, financed partly by the panjandrums of the mohair industry in cahoots with the Angora tribe, comes complete with the testimonials of paid-for scientists, who are probably are "into" goats because they are satanists.
Shameful, I say. What child was ever lulled gently to sleep by counting goats ? When the sheep-dogs get wind of this, they're not just going to run in circles: no, it's going to be baad.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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