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Munchies_Matt wrote: No way. A cheap US restaurant isnt going to give you the best ingredients. I have lived there you know.
First of all, you lived in places like California and Florida. My wife, to this day, remembers her horror in having ordered a pizza in California. No one goes to California for the food.
Repeating the quote:
<blockquote class="quote"><div class="op">Munchies_Matt wrote:</div>No way. A cheap US restaurant isnt going to give you the best ingredients. I have lived there you know. </blockquote>
And now we've finally come to the crux of your problem! The placebo effect of thinking that if a restaurant uses what (someone!) claims are the best ingredients you get the best food. The absurd delusion that cost equates to quality. How else can one justify over-paying? The others who ate that way will agree - or else will have to admit to being duped.
A description that seem to fit:
"I paid a lot, which shows I have class and discriminating taste"
Revisit my previous post and consider that reference to "The Emperor's New Clothes" and transpose the analogy from clothing to food. In the US, we have jackasses that will spend $200 for sneakers - that doesn't make the sneakers better, it makes the buyer stupid. But nonetheless they'll barf to their friends how they've got "the best" because it cost more.
I've been to Europe and found the food bland and mundane - even in Italy, which was indeed the best food of the lot, whether it was Roma, Milano, Pesaro, or Rimini, I found nothing that couldn't be had better in a local pizza joint in NY. Actually, the ice cream was damn good - but that (as gelato) has since made its way to here. Also, Amsterdam bakeries had some pretty good bread.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: My wife, to this day, remembers her horror in having ordered a pizza in California
You said 'feed a family for 30 euros', stick to the topic.
W∴ Balboos wrote: I've been to Europe and found the food bland and mundane
UK: Same as US. Fruit and veg looks good, but lacks flavour.
France, Spain, Italy: Fruit and veg is often blemished, but is ripe and very very tasty.
If you found it bland then you must have been either in the UK, or trying very hard to eat badly on the continent. Where were you outside of Italy?
W∴ Balboos wrote: Roma, Milano, Pesaro, or Rimini, I found nothing that couldn't be had better in a local pizza joint in NY
You ate at a low quality chain restaurant then? Seriously, NY pizza as good as it is in Italy? You are mad.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: You ate at a low quality chain restaurant then? Seriously, NY pizza as good as it is in Italy? You are mad.
I have been to Italy. You have NOT been to New York. Ooooops!
I was surprised and disappointed at the pizza in Italy - no preconceived notions. You, on the other hand, seem to be blossoming with them.
The California pizza reference is for your sake in that you said you lived there and I was supporting your experience. Stick to the topic? No good deed goes unpunished!
And the 30 Euro amount still holds - I sent you a link the other day - it had a menu - scope it out. Jack's Pizza: Long Beach, Lido Beach and Oceanside.[^] although for this particular pizzeria I only hit the Monday $10.99 pizza special on the bottom. There's plenty more menu, too - and it's not just the smear on the plate I got in Europe that was supposed to pass for a meal.
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You dont even know what real pizza is so used are you to it dripping with cheese and tomato sauce, so I am not surprised your taste buds lack refinement.
W∴ Balboos wrote: I only hit the Monday $10.99 pizza special on the bottom.
And I have eaten pizzas in Germany for 4.50 euros.
W∴ Balboos wrote: not just the smear on the plate I got in Europe that was supposed to pass for a meal.
Am I supposed to take you seriously?
Read my (now) old link, US produce has less flavour, everyone says it, so isnt gong to compete with an Italian pizza even IF it was made properly, and without it being slathered in sh*tty american cheese. And yes, American cheese is crap, its greasy rubber. Everyone says that too: Google[^]
Face it, you have sh*t produce and dont know how to make proper pizza, but because YOU are used to it it has become your yardstick and you are incapable of judging it honestly.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: And yes, American cheese is crap, its greasy rubber.
You've emphasized your ignorance - "American Cheese" is a processed product that is suitable for the taste of young children. It's usually required by law to be called "cheese food" because it's not legally cheese. Like Velveeta. As for any other cheese (cheddar, Brie, &etc.), only ego and cherry-picked data are involved in your selections so as to feel like somehow something in Europe still remains superior to elsewhere. The degrading effect of tired old cultures.
Munchies_Matt wrote: Face it, you have sh*t produce and dont know how to make proper pizza, but because YOU are used to it it has become your yardstick and you are incapable of judging it honestly.
Your logic . . . sucks . . . as I have had pizza, both urban and rural, in Italy. Do I have to try every damn resturant in the country to try to find one comparable with any typical neighborhood pizzeria in NYC? As I said before - you're judging without tasting, I'm judging from experience - the normal conclusion, then is someone doesn't know what they're talking about because they 100% really don't know. Hint: it's not me.
Munchies_Matt wrote: US produce has less flavour, everyone says it, so isnt gong to compete
Who is the famous everyone to whom you refer? Another artichoke eating european elitist? A bunch of you sitting at a table convincing yourself that your "in the best of all possible worlds" ?
Even were your fallacy of ingredients true, it's like coding: it's not the language you use, but the code you write that counts.
Munchies_Matt wrote: You dont even know what real pizza is so used are you to it dripping with cheese and tomato sauce, so I am not surprised your taste buds lack refinement.
Refinement? You! The standard to which all others are to be compared!
That junk you displayed as a pizza? Looks more likely to pass as a bready method to recycle waste.
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I expect NYC pizza is the best in the US, after all, it's where the immigrants landed. The further west you go the longer the immigrants have had in the US and the more degraded their palet has become. So I expect if you find a real old 'Pappa off the boat' pizzeria straight from Italy it will be good, but only because he CAME FROM ITALY!!!!
And let's face to, the reason Pappa went to the U.S. is because his restaurant in Italy failed, so what does that tel you about the sh*t you eat thre that goes by the name of pizza? It's just Italian reject isn't it?
Combine hat with the already poor US ingredients, as attested to by so many people I hVe met, and in the two links I have given you and you have a recipe not for pizza, but pizzle. That's what you eat, pizzle. 
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That is kind of genius and deductive insight that makes me glad there's an ocean between Europe and here. We don't need to whine about who's is best because some illusion of squatter's rights on a product means it's the best because it was (possibly) first.
That's never been true - and won't become true even though you really really want it to be true.
But if it helps your digestion at one of those artichoke orgies, you go on believing it. Those of us who decide with our minds instead of our egos; logic instead of emotion; well, so long as that infection stays an ocean away, we really don't give a rat's ass!
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Must have been that long ocean voyage that made those Italian immigrants so sick they lost their ability to distinguish flavour. 
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Munchies_Matt wrote: made those Italian immigrants so sick they lost their ability to distinguish flavour
More likely, the two World Wars, and accompanying scarcity of food, made those who stayed behind willing to think pretty much anything they get is absolutely great.
Or, as they say in neighborhoods adjacent to the great restaurants of Europe: "Has anyone seen my cat, lately?".
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W∴ Balboos wrote: the place that is truly the source of the best pizza on earth: NYC
I entirely agree. For pasta, go to a village in Tuscany, but for pizza, it has to be New York.
Unfortunately, I have had to give up pizza now.
Whenever I send my wife out to get pizza, she always insists on flying first class. It really was getting too expensive.
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Sounds real yummy!!!
___@sHubHa
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Try it, its very easy, and the results are stunning!
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That sounds more like a dessert than pizza.
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It could have been a desert pizza, but these ingedients are often put together.
I do a 'mille feuille' of goats cheese, pistacios, honey and bric (a north african pastry like filo) as a salad starter, similar ingredients, and a combination much used around the med: goats cheese and mint parcels - Google Search[^]
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...know people who release code without checking it at all? 
(And do not tell you do it yourself!!!)
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez
This applies equally to those that check-in untested code, much less release it!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Shooting him is an act of mercy... I was in the line of skinning, boiling in oil... You know, the whole pack from the middle ages...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: I was in the line of skinning, boiling in oil...
...then gibbeting on a lamppost outside the office, as a warning to others.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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I must confess I've checked in non-compiling code once or twice... 
And a couple of times that my checked in code didn't compile, but only because for some reason half of my code didn't get committed (like project A committed just fine, but project B didn't).
And I've had a few coworkers who did that at least once a week which is very annoying.
Or do you mean "release" as in a release to a customer? Because I can't imagine people not checking that 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Because I can't imagine people not checking that
You have to work on your imagination...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Alright, perhaps I can imagine it.
It was more like wishful thinking
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Sander Rossel wrote: do you mean "release" as in a release to a customer? Because I can't imagine people not checking that
But you use Microsoft products! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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At one company we had automatic build that, originally, ran on all the dev environments each night. In our team we had a rule that if a build failed due to an untested checkin you bought treats - dog-nuts, cakes, etc - for those affected. One of my minions made a 'tiny tweak' to the build process itself. Next morning he came in to be confronted by 30+ failed builds...
veni bibi saltavi
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Oops!
Was his face red after that?
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Yup and his wallet was emptied
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