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Kirk 10389821 wrote: There is fundamentally ONLY one law. Might makes right.
Good point.
However, it's probably safe to assume that you're not mighty, and that you're therefore wrong.
Personally, I like to think that humans have evolved past the level of animal behaviour. After all, putting animal cravings and monomaniacal behaviour behind us is one of the requirements of civilised society -- a city of even a meagre million beasts would soon devour itself.
But, obviously, some people either are, or prefer to remain, unevolved.
And, BTW, it's past midnight, so the Lounge "no politics" ban is back in force, and further political discussion can't take place here.
Unfortunately, that's one of the many, many, many laws that you have to follow, even though they are not included in your list of all laws.
Evolution (or lack of it)? No problem. Discuss away.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Live and let live, for f***'s sake. If your way is the only way, it's the wrong way.
Irony.
The ISIS comparison is not called for. I strongly suspect that their speeches have just a touch more "we haven't hit our beheading quota for the week" or "you guys have been really enthusiastic about stoning educated women, gays, and Christians since we started child-bride Wednesdays, keep it up!"
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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They ardently believe in their way of life, the same as anyone who is even mildly fanatical.
Fanaticism of any kind is a bad thing, because one of its main effects is to give people the errant belief that they are better than people who don't share their beliefs -- and saying "Our fanatics are better than Your fanatics!" is just plain dumb.
I have yet to see a belief system that convinces me that it is what we were put on this Earth for -- and capitalism comes Incredibly low on the score chart.
People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money? I don't think so.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money?
That is not what capitalism is. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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How would you know what capitalism is?
You claim to be a Christian, so it's against your religion.
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Ye Gods.
Read the bible, you moron.
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Your point of fact has nothing to do with anything that Kirk said.
Are you doing okay? Have you been hit in the head lately or...?
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
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Kaladin wrote: they .... use different means of reclaiming that honor
True.
ISIS uses sharpened steel to remove people they don't want.
Trump uses only a finger.
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Well, mouth 
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Kaladin wrote: Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language
You're giving Liberals a free pass on this same behavior? Do the phrases "misogynistic", "xenophobic", "homophobic", "basket full of deplorables", "...want old people to eat cat food so they can buy their medicines", "...throw old people off the cliff" ring any bells? Oh no, that's not shaming or ad hominem at all. 
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People made a lot of money out of planning what the principles should say, and when it should be said.
Don't blame the monkeys for dancing to the organ-grinders' tunes.
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I don't mean honor as acting justly but as...I guess esteem/respect in the eyes of everyone else? The opposite of being mocked. Very different from our Western morality of innocence and guilt.
Trump's rhetoric of deriding is opponents is an attempt to shame them thereby gaining more honor for himself
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Probably. But then, Ms. Clinton did the same, and in my opinion, perhaps because I loath her more than Trump, she did so with the type of labeling and name-calling that demonized his character. The media took up the narrative and spread it around so that everyone demonized him, to the point where we now have Democrats and immigrants freaking out, irrationally thinking he's going to either destroy America or deport all immigrants, or both. With the exception of the few conservative media outlets, the media did not take up his derisive comments against Hillary or others, expect as "proof" of Hillary's narrative.
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That's an interesting take, but I'd have to disagree.
Hillary is honorless, hateful, and criminal. You can't remove something that's not there. That is precisely the reason that so many people voted against her.
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Honor in the sense I'm talking about isn't a personal moral state but something that is perceived by everyone else. And regardless of whether of your or my opinions of her, there are many people that perceive her as good and just and whatnot.
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And regardless of your or my opinion of Trump, comparing the position given by one of his supporters to ISIS is meant to be demeaning.
Trying to mince words in order to back up that comparison is not the right thing to do, which is very much what this feels like.
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You are, as always, full of sh*t.
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And, as always, you're a delightful little cherub.
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The poor always blame the rich for their problems.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Life's funny, that way.
Actually, it's not funny; it's just human.
Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems".
So, because I don't wish to appear to be too inhuman, I'm laying the blame for all my problems at your feet!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems".
Well sure, 'tis human nature. What I find sad is that people don't realize it. Then again, the reason I'm not married is because women are crazy (joking).
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Now That I can get behind!
What is the cause of 99% of mens' problems?
The answer is only slightly bleeding obvious!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Jeremy Falcon wrote: The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Do they? You may be right, but I can't think of any straightforward examples of which troubles they blame on the poor. Help me out with a few.
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