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You must learn to understand the other sides goals. Often managers have other goals or orders and only are discussing to be polite and to "play" that you are respected.
In truth are some decision already taken but you arent yet informed. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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I know - in every company are such collegues... 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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I agree with you. But ...
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Ah, been talking to Eddy Vlugen have you?
Yes, it often goes like that 
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Meeoowwww...
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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A broken clock is right twice a day - we should never make the mistake of assuming that a correct decision is necessarily derived from correct reasoning.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Yep! Think I've been on the wrong side of a few of those discussions in my time. 
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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coworker: you should increment the version number an publish to TFS.
me: what's the point? it will be the exact same code.
coworker: correct, you should increment the version number and publish to TFS.
me: but what's the point?
coworker: you should increment the version number and publish to TFS.
......
me: oh, I see, they need a new version number to publish with SCCM, right?
coworker: correct, you should increment the version number and publish to TFS.
me: why don't you just tell me I should do that because of SCCM?
coworker: you should increment the version number an publish to TFS.
me: alright, never mind, gotta make a new version and publish to SCCM.
coworker: ok, good.
I almost went mad. But managed to get over it! 
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I've only experienced this with my wife...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Super Lloyd wrote: But both side have to keep explaining their side because... the other guy don't seem to understand...
Welcome to marriage. 
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Can anyone recommend a Canadian webhost (i.e. one having a physical data center in Canada) that offers CPanel[^] hosting? My requirements are moderate (10GB storage and 25GB/mo traffic) and I'm looking for a company that offers decent support and very good uptime. Am not looking for a "free" or budget hosting service.
Also, any feedback on FullHost[^] would be appreciated.
The reason for the move is that my webhost of 20 years is beginning to show its inability to support large numbers of customers. They're very reponsive (including calling me back in India when I was away for a month) and try to be helpful, but are clearly overwhelmed.
Thanks for any suggestions.
/ravi
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I've used TFS. While the Web UI mildly annoying, I know it and it works.
Git however is a whole different animal. To me it seems very confusing and difficult to work with.
What are you guys using? What's the standard these days?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Git
Despite its higher learning curve I finally took the plunge recently myself. I can live without distributed blah blah blah blah whatever, and I don't care about hype one bit. But, what sold me was it's so much easier to branch and merge in git. Especially compared to SVN. TFS is pretty good about it, but still git shines there.
Jeremy Falcon
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I really only care about Source Control. Do you have any "getting started" resources?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Well, my intro resource was being a n00b to it and asking coworkers a ton of questions. So, I can't really recommend a good online resource. That being said, keep it simple to start with and work on a project with it.
This link will get you going: git - the simple guide[^].
Also, if you're a PowerShell buff, installing A PowerShell environment for Git[^] will give you some fancy visual cues when you're in a project.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 13-Nov-17 14:08pm.
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Are there any Agile tools that work (well) with Git?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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I'm still new-ish to git myself, but there's always Jira[^] which will do that. It's like $10 if you host it yourself.
As long the concepts are down I'd imagine you could find a way to adopt most tools to the workflow though.
Anyway, here is the basic concept of agile within git: How Git fits into an agile workflow[^]. Since git makes branching much easier, you'll see people use them a lot more.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jira can connect to your git and link checkins with tickets. I'd advise you to try a GUI app like Git Extensions to do the basics with git rather than struggling with the command line. Once you get the gist you can maybe start to try some things with the command line. Like all non-MS products git is pretty badly documented and non-intuitive and doing anything normally requires decoding SO threads and running commands where you don't understand what they're doing.
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I've used git for about 10 years.
Typically, I'd automate most of it with scripts, and then forget about it existing until something goes wrong and doesn't merge. Then it's of to SO looking for ways to make it to work again.
I've used TFS for about 3 years now and it's way easier. I can just point and click (never used a TFS command afaik) and it's so easy to figure out that you don't need documentation. If you want something that just works, go with TFS. If you need fine-grained control or want to actively maintain everything, go with git.
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