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Has anyone else noticed that northerners don't start emails with any kind of salutation or greeting, they just launch straight into the subject matter?
Following on from what Griff said about politeness in the earlier email thread, I used to feel this was rude, but in fact I have come round to seeing it as just efficient.
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Dear Mr. Matt
Re: UK only, emails
Still better than kids though: no words, just a photo or video. Now that's a waste of bandwidth.
Yours sincerely,
lopati.
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I do include greetings at least in the first exchanges of a mail thread. If the thread is highly technical and fast paced (i.e "Try X" "It behaves in this way", "Then it could be configuration Y", "Now it behaves that way", "OK I send you a patch" ...) then I drop the salutations after a couple of e-mails, and only if my interlocutor does the same otherwise I keep being as polite as I can be.
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Yeah, that kind of works, start the day of with a 'Morning xxx' and then just chat after that.
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Morning and the three kisses?
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Only in France. 
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Munchies_Matt wrote: used to feel this was rude
An e-mail is, IMO, the online equivalent of a memo. Do memos typically contain salutations?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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In a mail directed to a close group, like coworkers, an e-mail is a memo and salutations are unnecessary.
I wouldn't ever dream of writing to a person external to the company, or from another branch or office with whom I have very little contacts, without proper education in place.
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Agreed. When sent outside the company/local office, an e-mail is the equivalent of a letter and should have salutations etc.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Hi,
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: An e-mail is, IMO, the online equivalent of a memo. Do memos typically contain salutations?
This really surprises me due to your assumed age. The term 'Netiquette' started appearing back in the 1970's and there are actually entire sections dedicated to the e-mail formalities in several of my old Unix manuals/books.
I've always observed that the older generation uses a more formal style of communication. It's the later generations that uses a more informal communication style.
u knw what i mean?
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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I'm not quite that old; I'm only 53.
My parents ensured that I got a comprehensive education, even after education became Comprehensive. This included spelling, grammar, and logic, three subjects much neglected today. 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Hmmmm,
Here in the U.S. both Compuserve and 'America Online' were doing dial-up very early. Were you already on the internet back in the 1980's?
I checked: Internet in Israel[^]
But the earliest date on the wiki is 1990 which I find hard to believe.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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We did have Internet in universities during the 80s, and there was an (extremely expensive) dial up option as well. Dial up prices during the 90s dropped to the level that they were affordable by the average home user, which is when I first got online.
Israel wasn't always the Startup Nation... 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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I start a new email chain with "Hi xxxx!" or similar, depending on who I'm talking to, and end it with "Best regards, Paul G.". I then don't use them in the reply chain again.
This helps someone to be sure I meant them, if nothing else, as well as being polite.
Think of it as a typed phone call - you start with "hello Tim!" and end with "bye!" - I hate people who just hang up at the end!
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Quote: I start a new email chain with "Hi xxxx!" or similar
Does your wife know about this?
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If there is a greeting there is a good chance it is from a Nigerian Prince. Otherwise there is usually not a greeting.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Sirs,
I tend towards considering these greetings to be just a blurb, a waste of space. I use them, because they are expected. But it feels strange writing an email to "Dear Standard Oil Company, ..." - Exxon isn't "dear" to me. "Hi, Standard Oil,..." is a little too informal. In the old days, you could use terms like "Honorable Standard Oil" or "Most Revered Standard Oil, ..."
A middle-of-the-road level of being formal is "Sirs, ...", but in these #metoo times, you run the risk of being accused of sexual harassment if some lady happens to see the messagage and claim she is being kept out because she is female. So should I use "Sirs and Madams," even when I know that only two males will read the message, or do I have to know the sexes of all possible readers to decide on a salutation? Maybe I should go for "Madmen and Madams," ...
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Woman told cops God allowed her to drive 120 mph[^]
Must say it's nice driving for someone who died six years ago! 
What I don't understand is why the police think they have the right to interfere with Gods biddings? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Episode 7: The Fast and the Delusional
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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I think it is episode 9 or 10 now. You're falling behind.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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But grandma certainly has the right stuff to make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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I would have gone with physics; easier to prove but harder to understand.
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As a noted theological lawyer, my first thought was that she was bang out of order, for does it not say in the Book of Old Moore 17.VII: "Lo! Behold the sign of the speed limit and obeyeth this at all times for it is there for good reason. He who doth exceed the stated speed shalt get 3 points on the license and a firm slap on the wrist or a speed awareness course at the very least." That sounds pretty much cut and dried ...
But then, I realised, that having been dead for 6 years really does make quite a difference. St. Winnifred's Letters to the Teletubbies 5.XXII, for example, states "Ye that have been dead for many years shalt transcend the laws of the living and be bidden only to do the will of the voices in thine head." There's no ambiguity in that sucker, so we can't ignore it.
Admittedly, there are a few grey areas arising from her response to an armed officer (obviously guns, unlike 120MPH motor cars, hadn't been invented when Ye Olde Grimoires of ye Sacred Law were written) so the Book of Old Moore fails to deal with it but the broader message of St. Winnifred would still seem to apply.
So, all in all, my considered verdict would be: give the lass a break! Life ain't easy when your dead and I'm sure she's very sorry for any inconvenience that she gave the cop. Let her drive home at whatever speed she sees fit and may her voices be with her.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Quote: ARTHUR:
Consult the Book of Armaments!
BROTHER MAYNARD:
Armaments, chapter two, verses nine to twenty-one
SECOND BROTHER:
And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that, with it, Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy."
And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu--
MAYNARD:
Skip a bit, Brother
SECOND BROTHER:
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
MAYNARD:
Amen
KNIGHTS:
Amen
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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If the old voting system were in place I would have given you a five - no three!
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended.
I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended.
Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like.
Dave
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