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Ouch... The question should be the other way around "why haven't you followed any web sessions lately!?"
It's in your employer's own interest (as well as yours).
Unfortunately, all management sees is money spent, but never what it gains them 
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Sander Rossel wrote: all management sees is money spent,
Jup, and since we have no separate Software dev team i count as "IT" which always only costs money 
Rules for the FOSW ![ ^]
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and this folks is the number one reason why I.T and software dev departments get the sh*t they do.
Beacuse we are always seen as a cost to the business and never part of the profit generation cycle.
It's also always why the flyby night lying toerag B******d sales folk get away with telling people that wetting their pants why installing undercracker 4000 deluxe edition onto a new mainframe made from the finest hair of a vestal virgin (and all for the bargain price of $400000000000) will bring their company all the best fortune it deserves, and get massive bonuses for doing so.... because they are always seen as profit generation.
<rant>over< / rant>
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This is good for you, and fortunate. I have worked at companies like this and it is great. Unfortunately, the pay was sh*t.
Now I make very good money, but have nothing like what you are talking about (knowledge sharing, collaboration, etc.).
I would love to have both worlds, but that is probably wishful thinking.
Again, good for you. 
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Slacker007 wrote: I have worked at companies like this and it is great. Unfortunately, the pay was sh*t.
Was your education in your boss's time?
My current employer "hires only seniors" and seniors should keep up with technology (in their spare time, mostly).
As such, pay is pretty good, but you spent quite some time travelling and studying.
It makes no sense to ask people to keep up and not pay them for it... 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Was your education in your boss's time?
When I worked for Goldman Sachs, it was on my employer's time. I have had it both ways for education, etc.
I am a contractor now, and I work from my home office. They expect me to learn everything on my own. Which is fine, and I do, but I miss the collaboration and knowledge sharing.
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We're bush pilots ... we get it done because we have to.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Where I work now has budget for training but management never authorizes spending from it. When asked about how we are supposed to stay up to date on new technologies they reply that we should do it on our own time.
I like to assume that each year, upper management uses the entire training budget to go to a conference where they "network".
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Wanna learn something quick? Get asked to deliver a project with technologies you've never used before, within a fixed amount of time (that you'd barely think reasonable if it was done with what you do know).
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Doesn't really work like that.
Mostly, people just make A LOT of mistakes like that and somewhere way down the line you find out that the application must be fixed from the bottom up.
I've joined teams that had been using Entity Framework for years, but still weren't aware of lazy loading and the existence of expression trees (or why ToList() can be detrimental for performance).
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"Learning" to use something doesn't imply following best practices right off the bat. 
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We're not talking about best practices, we're talking about not knowing the basics after years of usage and a really buggy application as a result 
Entity Framework lesson 1: ToList() does a query to the database and gets the results.
Application after years of work:
context.MyTable.ToList().Where(o => o.FullName == "...")
public string FullName
{
get { return FirstName + " " + LastName; }
}
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Really?
Pro-devs. who did that?  
I suddenly feel a (tiny) bit better...
I work in Local Government (UK)  and I've sort of 'inherited' all things IT - DB stuff, software development (when it suits the higher food chain), reporting, what laughingly passes for analysis/stats, etc.
Training is Verboten!!! (never mind encouraged) and pay is still crap.
One thing I have noticed over the (interminable) years - if 'they' are desperate (like, 'we need this yesterday to make me look good') then I'm allowed to play - else it's 'software suppliers only' (for the 'support') 
Bitter? Probably. Frustrated? You bet.
Just too near retirement to move.....
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Ha yes, I feel your pain......
Contractor here who's worked on both government, NHS and UK Military projects in the past.
It's soul destroying at times.
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Has to do with "ownership".
I'll "own" my projects; so there are no issues.
But once someone else "takes control", I can no longer be responsible.
If that other party won't "own", then the "technical debt" accumulates.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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I don't see what ownership has to do with understanding your tools 
This was code written by the team that worked on it from the start and they were still writing it like that.
Ownership or not, you won't write code like that if you know what you're doing.
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True story:
- I think we should go .NET.
- No; Java.
- Me: Struts; Swing; Beans; Eclipse; JBoss; Linux; Apache; etc; Java-related courses out of town...
- (weeks later) OK ... you can use .NET.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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We have pluralsight licences for everyone and I set up a bunch of courses that they have to take within a certain period of time. Each employee can block out 2-4 hours per week for study time on the company dime. Seems like a reasonable approach.
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer.
The End
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Unfortunately, in most companies I have worked for, keeping current was seen as a bad thing, something that distracts you from the job currently at hand.
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My employer doesn't stimulate anything, I stay up-to-date because I want to. Sure, my company does shelve money for seminars, trainings and such, but I have to become active demanding money for that training myself. Not that this was a bad thing, I think that this laissez-faire aproach fits best with intelligent people.
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Shame on your old company, good for your current company.
We encourage people to learn and attend training classes, and to share what they learned.
IN FACT, that is the one requirement. If the company pays for the training/seminar, then you
have to write up a summary email with a few links so others can either ask questions, or learn
something from the experience.
I have seen the most useless people take the most training (we called it hiding in training), and I have seen some really bright people go in waves. Spending up to 2 years not training, then digging into a new technology.
And $500 or 500 Euros is NOTHING. Most of these things start above this price. Then there are potential flights, and hotel stays. No wonder nobody used this. It was a fake offer.
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There you have it: in your "free" time means on your "own" time.
Nobody likes studying "for work"; on their own time.
There was a time when one was sent "out of town" for a course (which included meals, hotels; maybe a car).
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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I happen to like programming so, yeah, I study quite a lot in my free time.
My employer profits and then I profit (being the best they have tends to give leverage)
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Being the "best" isn't always what it's cracked out to be.
The "budget" needs to be split amongst everybody; meaning, "if I give you x then they ONLY get y and then they are unhappy, etc.".
It then becomes tests of wills.
(If you happen to actually like what you are currently working on, then that's a different story; but that will get "old" too after a while if you like to stretch; or see new faces).
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
modified 14-Mar-18 11:38am.
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Never had any trouble with budgets.
More that I'm willing to try new stuff and better the application while coworkers are afraid of innovation and get stressed out and/or angry.
I've had a coworker scolding at me because he literally couldn't read some C# syntax I had used (I used some delegates, nothing fancy).
Ok, that guy was really bad at programming and at social skills, a terrible combination
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