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My last workstation (3 years ago) came from Dell with Linux installed (Ubuntu). Seems like the W7 removal was worth about $90, don't remember for sure.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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What Linux flavour did you get?
I think that MickeySoft has circumvented the problem lately. The Windows 10 license is 0 or maybe 50 cents. At least on cheap boxes like notebooks...
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Plain vanilla.
Ubuntu
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I've bought only one PC with a pre-installed OS and I simply wiped the drive and installed what I wanted.
No sense wasting effort trying to fight a conglomerate for a pittance.
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It would not be for the money. If I wanted to give them back their junk, I would only have had to walk down the street to give it to them personally. Now they have moved, but that's also only a 20 minutes' drive away.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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When I bought my Dell laptop last year, they took $100 off of the price when I chose linux instead of Windows.
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The last Windows box I bought was priced at slightly USD 200. (I paid in NOK, so the exact USD amount depends on the exchange rate of the day. If they would take USD 100 off for the OS, that would have halved the price. I don't think they would have done that.
Anyway, in my case, I specifically needed Windows on that machine. But the OEM price for Windows10 is most likely far below USD 100. In other words, your Dell dealer subsidizes Linux. Which is of course perfectly legal.
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I'm in a strange in-between state.
For desktop, I've had nothing but bare-bones for many years. No O/S price to worry about, uninstall, or anything.
For laptops, oddly enough, they've all been refurbished. As such, they came with the O/S because it had it on it to begin with. For now, I've been able to hold out for Win7 - but I don't know what the future holds. Maybe I'll just have to give up on laptops?
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Most large computer manufacturers appear to offer your choice of O/S these days - Windows, Linux, or nothing.
Ad astra - both ways!
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If you're just buying parts individually, no OEM can charge the Windows tax.
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I always put together my desktops myself. Notebooks used to be a different matter.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I like to build my own (desktop) machines, by buying parts from Ebuyer or wherever. You get what you want that way and I'm generally pleased with what I've ended up with.
I bought an off-the-shelf PC for my Father-in-law a few years back and was shocked by the cheap motherboard and shoddy construction. Never again.
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Only once I bought a complete PC, never again.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I would never do that, but then again, I like my Windows (10) and it's updates 
On my new self built desktop, I just transferred the license from the old one.
People who request a refund are usually Linux/GNU/FSF/FOSS fans who hate Microsoft, which is sad and childish, but their right of course.
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two things come to mind when I see this.
First, How much time did he spend getting this put together to get $300? I would say at least 6 hours so probably spent $50 an hour. my question is that worth it? It might be it might not be.
Second, Why? you want linux just install it and move on and ignore microsoft. looking thru the fine print on the legalize might be fun for someone, but really it would make me tense just thinking about it. I have better things to do, like playing a game with my children or what not. Heck even cleaning the bathroom is a better use of my time than reading that thing.
All in all. I fail to see the point. I run alot of linux and some winders. oh well. Just me I guess.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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I build my own desktops from components I buy from NewEgg (or some other such places). I'll buy a Windows license on ebay (cheap). My main OS is Linux these days but, I do dual boot with Win 10 just so I can play games. Basically, my real work/computing is done in Linux and Windows 10 is my XBox.
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Games are my last reasons to keep Win7 alive, but not reason enough to endure Win10.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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This reminds me of a Drinking buddy who suggested that we setup a company...
Whereby whenever you have to install software and click "OK" to the license agreement,
we provide someone REMOTELY to click okay, that CANNOT pass a mental sufficiency test, and thereby nullifying the agreement.
We laughed, We drank... Then we realized. "Who exactly would let a mentally deficient person remotely access their system?"... In a Dilbert Cartoon... We would be billionaires! But alas, we simply laughed that we could find people/companies, and that people would probably pay just to piss off the big guys...
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I searched lounge messages for "artificial intelligence" but am actually just getting random results (even today's messages about "How to use source control" & "DARKNESS") 
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Not random: Marc Clifton for example has "artificial intelligence" in his signature, so that's probably why they come up.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Ok this kind of makes sense, but why would the message with subject "Wednesday" just below also appear when the search string is "artificial intelligence"? still
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Because Marc Clifton wrote the message, so "artificial intelligence" appears in it? Click on it, and you'll see.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Looking for stuff in the signature has been one of my favorite ways to search for messages from specific users.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Ok, so the message posted by Tomz_KV with subject "Wednesday" is appearing because Marc Clifton with string "artificial intelligence" in his signature replied to it!! Right?
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Re: How do you actually search lounge posts?
18 Apr 2018 by devenv.exe
Ok, so the message posted by Tomz_KV with subject "Wednesday" is appearing because Marc Clifton with string "artificial intelligence" in his signature replied to it!! Right?
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Re: How do you actually search lounge posts?
18 Apr 2018 by OriginalGriff
Because Marc Clifton wrote the message, so "artificial intelligence" appears in it? Click on it, and you'll see. Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter:
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Re: How do you actually search lounge posts?
18 Apr 2018 by devenv.exe
Ok this kind of makes sense, but why would the message with subject "Wednesday" just below also appear when the search string is "artificial intelligence"? still :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
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Re: How do you actually search lounge posts?
18 Apr 2018 by OriginalGriff
Not random: Marc Clifton for example has "artificial intelligence" in his signature, so that's probably why they come up. Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter:
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How do you actually search lounge posts?
18 Apr 2018 by devenv.exe
I searched lounge messages for "artificial intelligence" but am actually just getting random results (even today's messages about "How to use source control" & "DARKNESS") :zzz: :zzz:
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Re: Wednesday
18 Apr 2018 by Marc Clifton
CodeWraith wrote:Strange. Nothing of theat kind happens on my Linux boxes... Rule #1: If you want to sell something But Linux is free. I guess it's true then, that the best things in lif
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Re: How to use source control
18 Apr 2018 by Marc Clifton
Jacquers wrote:If it's git you are working with I can recommend SourceTree, TFS. And it's not the technology that is the issue, it's the workflow that people said I should use when I a
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Re: How to use source control
18 Apr 2018 by Marc Clifton
Eddy Vluggen wrote:There is a shelf-feature in VS Yes, and a stash (not sure if that's the git equivalent though) but nobody uses it. Latest Article -
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How to use source control
18 Apr 2018 by Marc Clifton
NOT. 1. Check out the dev branch. 2. Start working on a new feature 3. You're asked to fix a bug on the same project not related to the feature you're adding. 4. Manually copy the code to somewhere else that you've been working on for the new f
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DARKNESS
18 Apr 2018 by Marc Clifton
[Powerful new camera developed to directly image exoplanets – Astronomy Now](https://astronomynow.com/2018/04/16/powerful-new-camera-developed-to-image-exoplanets/) > While NASA is famed for the occasional convoluted acronym, the camera team came
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Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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