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Bug ahem...those where feature someone put in the program...you are not supposed to fix things that are not broken.
Caveat Emptor.
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With $500 million of debt.
So a guitar, advertised by Jimmy Page, Slash, Bowie, AC/DC etc etc etc, I mean, etc for the next freaking 6 miles of typing etc, goes bust? Realy?!!!???!!!!! 
What the hell kind of moronic management have they had in there? I mean a three year old could manage this. Just dont change anything! Keep churning out Les Pauls and SGs!
F*** me!
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Munchies_Matt wrote: advertised by Jimmy Page, Slash, Bowie, AC/DC
WHo? Oh those old guys.
It's all Adam Levine and First Act guitars now. Kwality. WAlmart. 
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raddevus wrote: WHo
Rickenbackers wasnt it? 
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Yeah, SGs in his later days. But the classics, pretty sure it was a Rickenbacker.
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Yes, was. He has gone over to the Dark Side now. That would be Fender. 
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The days of teenagers motivated to pick up an ax and learn a few chords is long gone. They're all playing their virtual games and strumming on their air guitars, if that even. Besides, a good guitar (or any instrument) doesn't have the built in obsolescence that the typical product nowadays.
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Marc Clifton wrote: They're all playing their virtual games . . .
They're also used to being kept in low- and no-stress situations. So, having to actually do something - by that I means, something real - means they might not get immediate success. Or ever achieve success at all. It's better to just make sure the earbuds fit snugly.
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They are complete drips arent they.
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How does a guitar company accumulate $500 million in debt? Amazing and sad, all at the same time. 
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Mad eh? I mean, they could have given away Les Pauls for the last 20 years and probably not used up that much!
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By buying up other companies that have little to do with your core business (the guitars) and investing in concepts that did not pan out like all of the synthesizer stuff they were doing. None of those have added anything besides debt and losses to their bottom line.
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I have to admit I've never been that much of a fan of Gibsons. They are heavier than I like for gigging and if you want a cheaper equivalent, later model Epi's are just as good. My biggest problem with them, certainly for the LPs, they are prone to headstock breakage. I've lost count of the people I know who've had to end up getting their headstock repaired - there's just an inherent weakness in the neck. Of course, I am known for being a fan of super strats, Ibanez in particular, so I might be biased.
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I heard that too. Mine dropped of the wall once and aside from a dent and having to retune, nothing happened to it. 
I also have a fender and ESP (LTD), a Chapman and a PRS and I like them all for their own character.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: later model Epi's are just as good
I have heard they vary from crap to reasonable.
A les paul does play very smoothly though. Also heard Tokais are very good.
I have one of each (strat and les paul (well, its a custom built in les paul style)). The les paul supports a lower action, plays quicker, and has way more punch from the humbuckers. The strat is twangier, lighter, more comfy, and has the whangy bar of course.
I kind of switch between them depending on mood.
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It has been coming these past few years with quality going down the drain since 2005'ish (or a bit after, mine is from 2005 and is an excellent instrument). Their acquisitions all over the place didn't do them much good.
My guess is they will sell most of their non-core assets and try to find some investors for the core products.
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Quote: Keep churning out Les Pauls and SGs!
That's what I thought, then a guitarist friend of mine (I'm a bass player) showed me the massive difference between old 50's & 60's Les Paul (which he had just inherited) and his 1994 model he had from new. The wood that was used in the '60s was older growth, not intensively grown meaning it was denser where as new growth wood is less dense. Gibson made a big thin out of tone which has changed despite there best efforts. The issue was pretty much the same when Fender were facing it the 1980's , combined with a Chairman who did his best to spread out to many weird and wonderful things the holding company looks ill. I don't imagine the brand will fall completely, I wonder if it comes to that wether Legend will look to pick it up?
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The quality of the wood has to affect every guitar made, so wont make Gibsons worse than any other. I can only blame it on ridiculous management.
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True, but Fender almost bit it and came back. The wood issue affects all of the makers today. I think the actual fault was taking over companies in trouble and wasting there assets, with out any benefit...
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They are costly and money are scarcer, any guitar can sound better with digital sound editing (which is cheaper and cheaper), rock is dying. Three good reasons to fall.
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den2k88 wrote: They are costly and money are scarcer,
Goods have never been as cheap as today.
den2k88 wrote: any guitar can sound better with digital sound editing
That is just not true. You can not copy the analogue sound of a valve amp with digital.
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Quote: That is just not true. You can not copy the analogue sound of a valve amp with digital.
Preach!
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