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OriginalGriff wrote: WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT US TODAY?
If all-caps in the title is not polite around here, I will correct that.
I thought it was normal fare.
I will correct
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C-P-User-3 wrote: Do I really want someone else's API ?
You have been doing that for a long time; the WinAPI.
While I dislike dependencies, I don't think that you want to make an excercise of not using api's.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: You have been doing that for a long time; the WinAPI.
Project killed.
Hey, Let's revive that project.
Okay, until we kill it again.
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Please feel free to share your detailed system design document and we will get back to you.
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Smirk ! 
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Just looked at OpenCV.
Their front page has this...
"...*Quote: Usage ranges from interactive art, to mines inspection, stitching maps on the web or through advanced robotics.
Didn't see anything about face recognition. Do they have a section on that topic ?
I'll poke around a few minutes.
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Thank you.
Voted up.
System doesn't allow me to vote it up twice (else I would).
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ALARM CLOCK
My Android Phone alarm clock app just failed me this week; colossal failure.
(Of course, it was my fault for not remembering one of the seventeen Android Phone options while I was in the ultra zonk quasi-conscious state of mind trying to get into bed without falling, etc.)
I am now convinced that I should buy a completely separate device.
I went looking to see what's out there, checking...
- eBay
- Amazon
- Target
- Sony
- Timex
- WalMart
I was expecting to find 10 or 20 models, perhaps 30.
My expectations were exceeded; greatly so.
Perhaps I should be delighted that I have so many choices.
There are certainly hundreds of different alarm clocks; a thousand wouldn't surprise me at all.
The Android is indeed a very clever device, but there are so many conflicting options, that it's quite easy (as I proved to myself this week) to confuse yourself and make the whole thing one big fail.
I think I should go Low-Tech on the alarm clock idea.
Wondering what others here might think.
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I have two three four alarm clocks:
1) My Android phone. It just works.
2) A "proper" clockwork alarm clock. Generally not needed, mostly goes off when I am already downstairs.
3) The Sun. It shines, I wake up.
4) The cat. It wants food, I get up or I'm in both trouble and pain.
90% of the time, 3 and 4 are racing each other to wake me up. It's like they were synchronised together ...
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: The cat
Just what I was going to say - get a cat!
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Cat ? Bah ! Humbug !
Can a cat project the digital time image on the ceiling in color-changing patterns ?
Can a cat show the image on glass fibers ?
Can a cat awaken you with your choice of three different soothing sounds ? Like ocean waves played over a two-inch mid-range speaker ?
Nope; it's high technology that we all need this day.
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OriginalGriff wrote: 3) The Sun. It shines, I wake up.
Currently working nights and sleeping days
OriginalGriff wrote: 1) My Android phone. It just works.
You haven't experienced my last week's big fail.
Evidently, (who can be sure of anything with Android ?) I had some setting messed up.
I think I needed the thing to be quiet for ninety minutes, and he stayed quiet for
eternity.
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We've gone retro with the Casio PQ-10D-8REF - about £7 in the UK.
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Hi all,
Once you finish a project, how do you give/send the customer the job you've done?
A) Shared at OneDrive or any other public cloud system and *
B) Shared at a folder in your NAS or server and *
C) you give the customer a CDROM/DVDROM and *
D) you give the customer a pendrive and *
E) ?
* Sign down some documents to formalize the acceptance.
Thank you all! 
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I've never given the customer the project when its finished.
OK, that sounds weird. What I mean is, the customer gets incremental releases, usually direct access to the code repo, and I help them build the app from the source code if necessary. If the client is way to non-tech to build the code, then they get a DropBox link. If it's a web app, I'll have a production site and a test site for new features being developed that they can visit, usually for UI layout playing around, and for behavioral changes, I'll route a special test account to the test pages under development.
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Joan M wrote: how do you give/send the customer the job you've done
In a pink box usually, with a thankyou note. 
Continuous integration.testing.new features means that by the end of the project the client has the code.
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When I was in Automation:
Once I finished the project and (if applicable) the documentation. (Yes, I had customers who didn't wanted to pay the part "docu" to spare a few bucks)
Made a copy of the running PLC Software and all configurations for the peripheric elements and put everything together in a CD.
Printed out a copy of the documentation (if applicable), annexed a copy of the signed completion certificate / acceptance protocol.
Handed over everything.
Bye bye
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Print out a hardcopy of all the code, have it bound in book-form, and sign it. Make sure to provide it in PDF-form too, so they can download your code to an e-reader.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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just burn the source tree onto a dvd and tell them to keep it in a safe place
(really just the source tree and nothing else: no notes, no list of required etc... can figure that out themselves if they want to self/get someone else to work on it.)
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Most of my customers are long-time customers so I have VPN access to their net. That means that when I work remotely it is via Remote Desktop on the customer's machines and so the work I do never leaves the customer site.
For other clients I have shared end products in a folder on my own web server (password-protected if confidential) or uploaded to customer's sharing platform of choice (lots of cloud offerings for file sharing).
Been a long time since I used CD-ROMs and pen drives - but yes, that's a rock solid solution. Go with the pen drive if you have to ship physically; optical drives are becoming scarce.
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CD and/or USB stick, with PC source code & build info + exes and PLC code (where appropriate). Also including circuit diagrams of hardware (where appropriate) + User and Maintenance manuals (as appropriate) + config files and simple souls setup.
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Install it on their server. Part of the deal almost always includes installation; otherwise there will inevitably be some environmental / configuration issues and it always takes more time to talk through what the problem might be than to just resolve it. In most cases my clients are not technical and if I sent them a ZIP file they'd not be able to open it, let alone install it!
95% of my projects are web-based so "installing" can be anything from copying over a new aspx.cs file to setting up a new IIS website and fully configuring it.
Very occasionally a project is just to build a DLL (and include technical and user documentation) in which case I'll usually just email the deliverable as one .zip file, with a separate one for the source code and any additional documentation / notes.
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