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Yes, trollish indeed.
This is a chatroom, where people express opinions, not a public inquiry, where you are the judge who may demand that petitioners go to vast effort to prove* what they chat about. I made more than enough effort to find the author's papers. The discussion is not worth further effort on my part.
tldr rants that contain no proof of anything, but that demand proof, is another sign of trolling.
Another indicator is the immediately dropping most of a discussion, to pounce on a single, small element that can be "proven" by opinions given on wikipedia and in blogs (which, of course, take a huge amount of effort to access).
Accusations of insulting behaviour where there is none is a clear sign of trolling.
Use of the term "ad hominem" is an absolute dead giveaway that the person talking is a troll.
Were I your employee, you could ask (note that word: "ask", not "demand") that I go to the effort of looking up documents that counter the opinion that you have gone to all the effort of garnering from wikipedia.
Unfortunately, I am not your employee, this discussion is not worth anything like that amount of effort, and I do not jump through hoops set by trolls.
* A favourite word of trolls, that.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: tldr rants that contain no proof of anything, but that demand proof, is another sign of trolling.
You can't prove a negative. There is nothing I can do to prove that his name isn't Adam. If you can suggest something I could do to prove that then I'm all ears. Do I also need to prove his name isn't Dave? Isn't Peter? Isn't John? On the other hand you *can* prove his name *is* Adam by simply showing me where in the book it is indicated his name is Adam, ergo the burden of proof lies with you. Something, all these posts later, you have still failed to prove.
Because you can't.
Because you're wrong.
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What you have to consider is:
+ Are you continuing this worthless discussion because of your deep love of a B-grade book (and even worse movies)? If so, I'm sure that just about everyone could suggest something better to read/watch.
+ Are you continuing this worthless discussion because of some deep-seated need to "win" a discussion on a message board? If so, you're a troll.
Pack it in, eh? I'm not going to waste hours of my time playing "I have to WIN a discussion about a B-grade book!"
Unless a thing somehow, miraculously, extends your life, there ain't no winning.
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You said I was wrong, you said I was an idiot, you said I was snooty, you said I didn't know what I was talking about, and now it's been shown that I was actually right and *you* were wrong you're accusing me of being a troll just because I want you to admit what you've done.
You're obviously never going to admit you were wrong, but at least you've learned a few things.
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I would like to ask for some advice for a Christmas book for Anna a very dear dear girl of 13 - daughter of my German cousin Eva. The mother is an English teacher and Anna loves reading, in that language. Anna comes across as happy, serious and filled with curiosity.
The first book to come to my mind is Catcher in the Rye. Bit of a stretch at 13, and German. But then I wish to provide some stretch! The young-reader-ideas discussed here are not too discouraging: Is 10 Too Young to Read The Catcher in the Rye? - Barnes & Noble Reads — Barnes & Noble Reads[^]
Another thought is the non-kid short stories of Roald Dahl. Another stretch too they are. Might be outside the interests of a 13-year-old...
But I do like the idea of short stories, in English original, and the idea of encouraging existential contemplation. Thanks.
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megaadam wrote: Anna comes across as happy, serious and filled with curiosity.
While "The Catcher in the rye" is no light reading  , may I also suggest "The book thief"? Or is it too dark for a 13 year old?
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There is but one book she should ever need to read: The Bible[^]
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Have some mercy, she's just 13. 
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You're absolutely right. Something lighter[^] is required... 
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That's just cruel and unusual punishment!
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A modern Codex Gigas[^]...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Start as you mean to go on, that's what I say.
Didn't you learn to read from "Janet and John"[^] like the rest of us?
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It seems you are totally starved for posts that allow room for jokes here in the Lounge 
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Nah, you can find humour in anything if you look hard enough! 
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Can you please take a look at my boss then and let me know how hard you have to look... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Sometimes you do have to look pretty deep.
Sharp instruments can help here.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Sharp instruments can help here.
A blunt one might be more fun, though... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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The Quran's got a better plot, and doesn't have as many plot holes.
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Yeah, but the Quran says nothing about Windows Messaging.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Windows Messaging
HERESY!
BURN THE WITCH!
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Sheesh, if you're gonna go that way, then why not that "other" bestseller, also written by delusional people back around the mid-20s, and was given to every newlywed couple in the country a few years later? Bonus: It's already in German.
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Because
1) I have no idea what book you refer to;
And
2) I suspect you didn't follow the link (or even look at the URL)
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You're right, I didn't follow the link. When you wrote "the bible", I took it literally.
As for the book: It was very popular back in its time. It's now banned in Germany (unless laws have changed).
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Ah! Schicklgruber's finest opus!
Never read it (or wanted to) ... but he did make an obscene amount of money out of that one. If only he'd stuck to authorship, the world would be a different place.
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Read a copy years ago with added footnotes from some eminent historian. My struggle was keeping a straight face at the number of notes that went along the lines of Quote: 101 This never actually happened
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