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The Big Bang, causing "everything" to disperse, is the ultimate entropy event. Your asymptotic view could fit into an idea that as long as the universe is expanding it cannot reach a final state. On the other hand, if it is not expanding fast enough, and thus will eventually collapse back to a singularity (?), then the universe would, indeed, be self-winding.
The current philosophy (and observations) indicate that, when you take into account systems and surroundings, entropy always increases. Are we to consider that everything will be infinitely dispersed? Er - I don't know.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Are we to consider that everything will be infinitely dispersed?
If you take into consideration that the universe's expansion is accelerating, instead of decelerating, then that's my best bet, when a hypothesis like the Big Rip will happen.
Of course, the other way around is still possible, like hypothesized by the Big Crunch, which would lead for a cyclic universe lifespam, but I believe more in the former, hoping for the latter.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Slacker007 wrote: What if C A T really spelled Dog?
Perhaps the answer can be found here.[^]
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Apparently you haven't heard of the holographic simulation theory.
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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What? The one on the 13th floor?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Some say life is anti-entropy. If so, it may qualify as your "self-winding" idea.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Alas, everything you do to stay alive increases the universe's entropy. Remember, always, it's system+surroundings. The food you eat, for example.
Some of it is used to make orderly structures to maintain your vessel, but this is driven by other reactions to supply the energy necessary to create the material. You breath out CO2 as the final product of extracting energy from (and increasing the entropy of) the majority of what you ingest.
The constant increase in entropy as a consequence of all events is fundamentally related to giving a direction of time.
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I always wondered what those guys wearing robes and carrying signs did when they went home at night. At least one of them posts his theories online.
"The End is (Not?) Near!"
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Well, the end of the world is one thing; but the universe ends at Milton Keynes.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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A good read. Your page worked as intended. Nice planning.
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I always wanted to go on Mastermind and do the Monty Python thing:
Magnus: Your specialist subject?
Me: The Bleeding Obvious.
It's easy to give credence what people say in magazines and blogs, but it's usually better to spend a few moments working it out for yourself.
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True. But do not assume all have the same capability to work it out for themselves. In leiu of that and with a desire to play the intellectual game, the path of least resistance is to accept what seems right, or worse, what appeals emotionally. Many minds of mush out there.
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Your idea about chaos and entropy seems to be derived mainly from Michael Moorcock hey?!
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Had no clue as to who Michael Moorcock is.
My basis in entropy is primarily from courses in Chemical Thermodynamics. Part of calculations, in fact.
A tidbit for you: do you know those "ice packs" you squish and they get cold? They are devices whereby the thermodynamics to happen spontaneously (Gibbs Free Energy < 0) is dominated by entropy instead of enthalpy (i.e., the common heat emitted by most chemical reactions). Not uncommon if one dissolves ammonium salts.
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I think entropy might be like a programmer.
Starts on one area, makes it nice and chaotic.
moves on to the next area.
Some millions years later swings by, and notices this lump of a planet and yell "who the hell did this! This is terrible chaos design.
"Oh, nope, my bad, did this one in my younger days. I know how to make this better now."
and repeat.
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I believe I read somewhere that the void is not really empty but full of
virtual particles that continually bubble up then disappear. Would that alter
your views on entropy?
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Let's suppose what you read is true.
In one respect, it would give me an entire additional line of thought to apply to the musing.
In another respect, it answers the question: if spontaneous events can occur in the void between things, creating existence where there was none - then the universe would seem to be, indeed, self winding as new existences come and go.
Did your reading also consider that if something could appear in the middle of nothing, and then disappear, then why not similar disappearance of somethings in the non-void (is there anyplace that is not just a spec in its own local void?).
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Virtual particles etc are in the realm of quantum physics, which no one
as yet seems to fully understand! I recommend the book "What is real" by
Adam Becker as some sort of a guide to that world. I do not pretend
to understand such things but I think someday, just as relativity altered
our view of Newtonian physics, our view of what the universe is all about
will change as well.
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So I looked up the guy and his book (in the Google universe).
What is Real? | Not Even Wrong[^] - This popped up near the top of the list.
It seems to me that it is, in rather simple terms, a disagreement as to the basis set to be correctly used to describe the universe. (there is an author's reply down the page).
What is real - not obviously a part of what I used when starting this. Whatever is real, it does tend towards disorder as the result of any action that can be considered spontaneous. Spontaneous meaning, in this context, what will happen to something's state if it were to change to a "more relaxed and natural state" - for example - you'd be more stable if you fell down flat than if you were to remain standing. I'm thus considering what happens when everything everywhere has fallen. Is that state, itself, a contradiction?
Be a bit more a philosopher.
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"When everything everywhere has fallen" may be a contradiction. Fallen
implies it fell somewhere, to some gravitational attractor, like a star.
When a star loses energy, gravity may completely take over, resulting
in a massive explosion, which may eject matter and start anew,
or a black hole.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, speculate as we may about
the true nature of this universe (or multiverses or whatever) we
do not (and may never) know what is real.
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Who cares?  Your atoms and my atoms will all have been recycled too may times to count.
Fight entropy with enthalpy.
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