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The Nazi symbol went clockwise, not counterclockwise, but the Swastika generally has long history before it was co-opted by Mr Schicklgruber:
The name swastika comes from Sanskrit (Devanagari:. स्वस्तिक) meaning "conducive to well being or auspicious".[7][8] In Hinduism, the clockwise symbol is called swastika, symbolizing surya (sun), prosperity and good luck, while the counterclockwise symbol is called sauvastika, symbolizing night or tantric aspects of Kali.[8] In Jainism, a swastika is the symbol for Suparshvanatha—the seventh of 24 Tirthankaras (spiritual teachers and saviours), while in Buddhism it symbolizes the auspicious footprints of the Buddha.
IIRC the oldest known use of it was 15,000 years ago - so after 70+ years it might be time to start letting the "far right" connotations of the symbol go a little, don't you think?
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OriginalGriff wrote: IIRC the oldest known use of it was 15,000 years ago - so after 70+ years it might be time to start letting the "far right" connotations of the symbol go a little, don't you think?
Will remain forbidden in the Netherlands; there's still people alive that saw men with that symbol on their arms going through the streets.
Also not an argument that it was associated with something else some thousands of years ago - it is about what it is associated with today. If you see someone in a mall swinging a knife, you're not going to suggest that he may simply be hunting like 15k years ago 
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Not suggesting we should forget what they did, not in the least!
But perhaps it's time to start reclaiming an ancient symbol that they hijacked? Otherwise they win to a small extent, and the symbol remains something for the ultra right to rally round. Admittedly, that makes them easier to spot, but ... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: Otherwise they win to a small extent,
That's nonsense. If you consider that a victory, they can have it.
OriginalGriff wrote: But perhaps it's time to start reclaiming an ancient symbol that they hijacked
If the symbol were visible here it would not have an association with something ancient, but very recent, regardless of how you want other people to see it.
There's no room here for anyone who wants to use that symbol, regardless of the reasons they bring to the table 
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To see a swastika I have to unfocus my eyes and think of swastikas... otherwise the first thing I see is a cross similar to the pharmacy ones, the usual icon for "Heal" abilities in games.
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I don't abuse ms about their pathetic fixation with icons.
Clearly and concisely speaking truthfully -- e.g. that I think they're bleeding morons -- is not abuse; it's fair comment.
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1. Looks nothing like a swastika.
2. A poor design choice because there is no visual clue to the meaning. If you have to read the manual to know what an icon means then there is something wrong.
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And do TV chefs produce pots of message?
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Stirring up trouble, again? Will they be grilled during cross examination?
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Indeed, they'll be steamed when questioned.
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Where'd you poach that reply from? It's saute similar to something else, somewhere.
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More specifically I need to send the WM_SHUTDOWN message to a single window in order to simulate the windows shutdown (the windows procedure is not mine and I don't have the sourcecode, it's a runtime that executes project files which are controllable via socket from other applications).
I would have used WinWatch of the memorable HardCoreVB suite but on Win7 64 bit it isn't an option. Does anybody know a tool to view all the top level windows and send individually messages to them? Programming solutions are ok but a "known functional" tool would be priceless.
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AutoHotKey;
https://autohotkey.com/docs/commands/PostMessage.htm[^]
You'll also need to find the handle of the Window you want to send the message to 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: You'll also need to find the handle of the Window you want to send the message to
Thanks to NirSoft I don't have that problem.
Very much thank you, this is already a workable solution!
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You're welcome
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Try in the right forum for starters.
Come on, the rules apply to everyone.
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It's not properly developement, I'm not looking for code, library or solutions but for a tool. And this one is definitely the most viewed place of the whole site, especially by the competent people.
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Of course it bloody well is! SendWindowMessage(GetHwnd(), WM-, blah blah blah. It is a programming question and belongs in the right forum.
Bloody double standards, come on, wake up.
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No, he wants a tool that will do it. Not the code. I see it as a technical discussion and much more interesting than what usually goes on in the Lounge.
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If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Except that I was not looking for the windows API to do so but a tool, an application, that allowed me to see the handle of top level windows and send to exactly one of them a message - which I discovered does not exist by the way, it is WM_ENDSESSION.
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Well know you know you need to write the tool yourself you can ask in the right forum!
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Well know you know
"Now you know" 
And this is the right forum. To quote;
No flame wars, no abusive conduct, no programming questions and please don't post ads. It is NOT a programming question. If we take your reasoning, then ANY software-related question belongs in the C forum. After all, .NET is just a wrapper around some winapi's.
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Linux.
I was going to suggest archery equipment, byut Linux seemed more appropriate.
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