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#realJSOP6-Feb-19 8:10

#realJSOP

6-Feb-19 8:10

Our shop uses Telerik, so there's no hope of changing to something else. :/

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Bert Mitton6-Feb-19 8:22

Bert Mitton

6-Feb-19 8:22

I've used DevExpress for almost a year now... very happy with their product, and support is quite responsive. Minor updates monthly, with 2 majors each year. I've been really glad we pulled the trigger on this one, and if I had to do it again, I wouldn't hesitate.

kmoorevs6-Feb-19 10:01

kmoorevs

6-Feb-19 10:01

Thanks for the input! There is certainly no shortage of videos and code samples for their components. I'm finding the gridview (asp.net) to be fantastic, just having added exports for excel formats in a matter of minutes...worked the first time. Smile | :)

Very nice indeed!

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Mark_Wallace6-Feb-19 9:48

Mark_Wallace

6-Feb-19 9:48

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
BTW, "Progress" is a STUPID f*ckin name...

It's to make it harder to search for it on the net -- they're following ms' example, and making the UX as uncomfortable and as time-wasting as possible.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Mycroft Holmes6-Feb-19 13:50

Mycroft Holmes

6-Feb-19 13:50

And they want to control your entire development environment with their dashboard thingy. As a now semi retired single developer their stuff is way too expensive to use and their Xamarin tool box did not seem to offer much over the standard controls.

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#realJSOP6-Feb-19 14:45

#realJSOP

6-Feb-19 14:45

I created a “telerick ui mvc5 app” and then “configured” it. That caused over 100 “culture” .js files to be added to my project - without being asked first.

Why VS2017 does not suck today either

Eddy Vluggen7-Feb-19 0:15

Eddy Vluggen

7-Feb-19 0:15

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
It doesn't provide anything close to an exhaustive theming experience (colors only, and not even all of them), and some of the results are just plain weird, especially if you want to setup a dark theme.

Like any of the managers would ever notice; it's not like they're interested in functionality. Try the Telerik or DevExpress stuff on a Windows that is set to "high contrast" for visually impaired users, and choose a bit larger font.

Still, they make a lot of money with making non-standard stuff that is popular somewhere.

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megaadam6-Feb-19 4:08

megaadam

6-Feb-19 4:08

The compiler [that comes with it] does a fairly good job of language standard compliance Poke tongue | ;-P

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#realJSOP6-Feb-19 4:25

#realJSOP

6-Feb-19 4:25

What language, and how do you know?

RugbyLeague6-Feb-19 4:34

RugbyLeague

6-Feb-19 4:34

THE COMPILER

H.Brydon6-Feb-19 5:16

H.Brydon

6-Feb-19 5:16

RugbyLeague wrote:
THE COMPILER

Which one? I believe there is C#, (gag) VB, C, C++.

[and the IDE (not compiler) supports xml, html, xhtml, others...]

[edit]Fixed comma placement[/edit]

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- Harvey

modified 6-Feb-19 14:02pm.

Marc Clifton6-Feb-19 5:50

Marc Clifton

6-Feb-19 5:50

H.Brydon wrote:
I believe there is C#, VB (gag), C, C++.

FTFY!

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Rick York6-Feb-19 6:07

Rick York

6-Feb-19 6:07

I would go with "I believe there is C# (gag), VB (gag), C (gag), C++."

That's just me.

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H.Brydon6-Feb-19 8:03

H.Brydon

6-Feb-19 8:03

Marc Clifton wrote:
H.Brydon wrote:
I believe there is C#, VB (gag), C, C++.

FTFY!

Correct as always Marc ... comma went in the wrong place.

I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
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den2k886-Feb-19 4:57

den2k88

6-Feb-19 4:57

VS2017 has a crapton of defects but surely it doesn't suck. Mostly I can't seem to have a smooth user interaction and its customization options are redundant and difficult to modify.

As far as the compiler goes though it's the best VS experience I had since VS2008.

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C^hris L^osinger6-Feb-19 6:57

C^hris L^osinger

6-Feb-19 6:57

i wish someone would tell me the name of this perfect IDE VS is failing to be as awesome as.

Mark_Wallace6-Feb-19 21:10

Mark_Wallace

6-Feb-19 21:10

I'll say "vi" and "emacs" now, to prevent rants from people who really mean it.

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Kevin McFarlane6-Feb-19 22:39

Kevin McFarlane

6-Feb-19 22:39

I think we all bitch about VS until we try something else and find it's either no better - or worse...

I remember bitching about the initially drab UI revamp from 2010 to 2012. By the time I was using 2013 I never wanted to go back to 2010. Laugh | :laugh:

Kevin

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Jacquers6-Feb-19 0:12

Jacquers

6-Feb-19 0:12

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Oddly entertaining Smile | :)

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Nelek5-Feb-19 23:46

Nelek

5-Feb-19 23:46

C++

//subModule.h
// a lot of stuff
inline void function01()
{
  // something
}
// a lot of stuff

C++

//mainModule.h
#include subModule.h
// a lot of stuff

C++

//myApp.cpp
#include mainModule.h
void main (void) //it is not like this but it doesn't matter
{
   // a bit of stuff for the test
   function01 ();//line XXX // This is within the main. It is a call, not a declaration
   // not much more
}

Opening subModule.h:
Red line under function01, mouse hover --> Error: "void function01() declaration incompatible with <error-type> (declared at line XXX of "Path\Project\myApp.cpp")"

clean and rebuild
Error: myApp.cpp Line XXX "This declaration has no storage class or type specifier"

Delete the "inline"
Error: LNK2005 due to duplicated object in the mainModule.obj and myApp.obj"

Undo ("inline" back), rebuild...
everything OK.

Good is, what good ends, but... D'Oh! | :doh:

EDIT: given better names, hopefully makes more sense now.

EDIT2: Deleted the "VS2017" of the subject due to Richard's comment below.
By the way... the project is a Visual C++ Win32 Console with ATL/MFC support (used the new project template) where I am playing around with the external Library / API.

EDIT3: added the "main"

EDIT4: Nevermind... it is working. I just wanted to rant about it.

EDIT5: I'll try to simulate it again. If I manage, I'll post the calls again making sure that I give enough code

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modified 6-Feb-19 16:37pm.

RickZeeland6-Feb-19 0:39

RickZeeland

6-Feb-19 0:39

That sucks, you probably already know that you can add your .h files in the projects AdditionalIncludeDirectories.

Nelek6-Feb-19 1:15

Nelek

6-Feb-19 1:15

Been away from VS a lot (last professional project was VC++ 6 in 2007). That means... no, I am not sure to know exactly what you mean.

I have added them in the project solution explorer with "right click >> add >> existent files" as I have seen in many examples and the VS advice tell. The .h got placed in "headers" and the .cpp in "Source Files" folders

It is working relative fine, a re-build mostly solves the situation. Just weird things (like the one described above) from time to time when using something for the first time (although the files are included since the beginning).

M.D.V.

CPallini6-Feb-19 0:40

CPallini

6-Feb-19 0:40

"... VS doesn't bore you with a predictable behaviour..."
It's a feature!!!

Richard MacCutchan6-Feb-19 1:27

Richard MacCutchan

6-Feb-19 1:27

This is nothing to do with Visual Studio, it is purely down to the way the compiler reads the sources, possibly because you are effectively including foo.h twice in coo.cpp. Try adding the following line to all your header files:

C++

#pragma once