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What you're running into is one of the fundamental failures of computer systems. Computer's have no clue what they are storing! In fact, my industry (the storage industry) seems to think that all we need to provide you is a directory and a filename and you should worship us. In reality, people don't want to work with files, they want to work with something called Information Assets. These are collections of files, metadata, people, processes, emails, etc., that as a set, are meaningful to your or your business. These things change, are related to one another, are part of larger sets, etc. This is how people think, talk, communicate with others, and yet computer's don't even come close to supporting this type of behavior.
If you would like to see more about the idea of Information Assets with an example, here is a link to a short paper on the subject. "www.expeditefile.com/assets/assetmanagementpart1v2.pdf" - Introduction To Information Asset Management. It is a no-register PDF.
There are a huge number of other failures that are caused by this wrong information model. However, what's worse is the industry forces every computer owner to go figure out their own way to maintain the integrity of their "digital assets". That's why you have seen multiple suggestions on how to do backup, etc.
What you have touched on is a huge issue that I'm afraid, very few people understand much less have any way to solve. Hopefully, we will be able to fix this someday... 
Bruce
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One word cloud.
I have a One Drive biz account.
Everything important is stored there in a logical tree structure.
I make sure I have two computers that can sync the entire one drive. And every month or so I copy to an external drive then turn the drive off.
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Step 1.
Dump every piece of clothing you own on the bed.
Go through each piece, if it does not spark joy, put it in the discard pile
otherwise put it in the keep pile.
etc.
Eventually, you will make it to your hard drive.
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Anything that gives me pause, gets copied to a cloud drive and / or a dedicated external drive.
Copy over the outlook pst files once in a while. Share a cloud folder or two. That's it.
Just attach a "generation #" to the file if there is going to be a collision.
Once you have x generations, start deleting the older ones.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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44. She backs American leader (5)
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44) SUSAN?
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I told them to delete all data they have on me.airbnb said: Hi Mark ,
Thank you for your email dated February 20th, 2019.
Hope this message finds you well. My name is Florencia from Airbnb team.
We understand that you would like to exercise one of your rights under the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), namely the right of erasure your data.
As a data controller, Airbnb has to verify that the person making the request is, in fact, the data subject entitled to make them. We have implemented identification and verification procedures to ensure that we do not edit, delete, or hand over personal information at the request of, or to a person impersonating a data subject.
We kindly ask you to re-send us your request and to attach a photocopy of your proof of identity.
Of course, "Florencia from Airbnb team" is probably, in reality, "big fat slob Miguel from mother's basement", but I can't be @rsed to demand certified copies of his passport and employment contract (yet).I replied: What a very "clever" and slimy demand.
How, exactly, will a photograph of me prove my identity, when you don't know what I look like?
The e-mail address that I use to log in is all the proof of who I am that you need, because it is the only thing you have that connects me to my account.
Do not try to get clever with me; it will only inspire me to take harsher action against you.
They're already in for a sh1tstorm of trouble, because my "buddy at the Ministry" agrees that the way they are coercing people to hand over their passports contravenes more than one current law.
If I might make a suggestion: don't use their services, and especially don't pay for anything through them, because it's quite likely you'll lose your money, when they shut the site down and run for mouseholes.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: They're already in for a sh1tstorm of trouble, because my "buddy at the Ministry" agrees that the way they are coercing people to hand over their passports contravenes more than one current law.
Also no guarantee that any employee doesn't go on a holiday using my credentials.
They can have a copy of the ID-card, with everything but the name blurred out, and written in large black font "airbnb 2019". It would still be a valid ID, just a bit harder to reuse it.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Consider this.
You send your ID to prove you are the person requesting to remove your data, and they duly remove your data.
But: They will need keep your request and proof to prove that it was you that requested your data be removed. Why:
- the regulator needs proof that they honored YOUR request.
- the other you asks why your data was deleted (cover their own asses)
Face it, you can not be erased.
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Lopatir wrote: the other you asks why your data was deleted (cover their own asses)
"Because I have the right to ask for that, under current laws".
They can ask what they want; how you answer is up to you.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Lopatir wrote: - the regulator needs proof that they honored YOUR request.
"We have no record of this person".
How does that not work?
The idea that they have to store a copy of my passport (on what is probably a number of eminently hackable servers) in order to delete my data goes beyond the pale.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
modified 23-Feb-19 11:24am.
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I was sort of joking but it is actually true to some extent.
Tax authorities for instance require organisations to keep full records of financial transactions for a number of years (typically 5 - 11 years) so they actually can not totally expunge all records they have. (Ideally though that would be kept separate / isolated from the day-to-day booking systems.)
But even the authority controlling privacy needs to know that requests made for personal information removal are being honored, just saying "we have no records" would not suffice, as suggested the minimal requirement would be to record the request for data removal with some means of identifying the source of that request was verified and performed. Again it should be held away from the day-to-day operational systems.
Albeit separated, some data must and will be be retained.
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I don't know what you beef is with Airbnb, but replying to someone who just does their job (whether it's lovely Florencia or big fat slob Miguel doesn't matter) ""clever"" and "slimy" and threatening with "harsher action" at their very first response makes you the a**hole here.
How about:
Hi Florencia,
I'm well, thank you, I hope you're good as well.
You're asking for a photocopy, but I don't see how that's going to help because you don't know what I look like.
I'm emailing you from this email address, which should be proof enough that I am who I am.
Please let me know when my account is deleted.
Best,
Mark That sounds so much nicer while still conveying the message.
If they keep insisting you can reply in a harsher tone and even take "harsher action" (against Airbnb, not Florencia).
Still no reason to call people slimy and "clever" though.
You're complaining about people, but to me it seems you're the problem.
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You're unaware of the full history, so your misapprehension can be excused.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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any of the new generation platform facebook and after...you are the product...for them to make money ! ..
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I can see no honest or lawful way that they can profit by having a copy of my passport.
Plenty of criminal ways, but no honest or lawful ones.
And the way they demanded it proves their ill intent:
0. Take the money
1. Wait until the last moment
2. Tell the customer that you won't fulfill the contract unless he hands over sensitive, personal documents -- during Spring Break, when everything is booked solid!
It's slimy, evil coercion, where 99% of people would have no choice other than to accede to it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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+1 for the vid with Vince Clarke in it.
Just had a Yazoo and Depeche Mode weekend a month ago - shouldv'e included Erasure..
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I would've asked 'Florencia' for a photocopy of her(his) passport so you know who you're sending yours to.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: I would've asked 'Florencia' for a photocopy of her(his) passport so you know who you're sending yours to.
???Mark_Wallace wrote: I can't be @rsed to demand certified copies of his passport
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Gotta fight fire with fire
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Sure, but their demand was a criminal act. If I mimick the demand, I'm trivialising their crime.
Their criminal demand cost me a lot of time and effort (when I didn't have a lot of time or energy), and resulted in my having to pay twice as much, because it's a school holiday, so everywhere's full (and that's not to mention that they still have my money).
When my "buddy from the Ministry" tells me the iron's hot enough for me to initiate a lawsuit, I don't want it thought that I see their crime as being trivial.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: 2.4 User verification on the Internet is difficult and we do not assume any responsibility for the confirmation of any Member’s identity. Notwithstanding the above, for transparency and fraud prevention purposes, and as permitted by applicable laws, we may, but have no obligation to (i) ask Members to provide a form of government identification or other information or undertake additional checks designed to help verify the identities or backgrounds of Members, (ii) screen Members against third party databases or other sources and request reports from service providers, and (iii) where we have sufficient information to identify a Member, obtain reports from public records of criminal convictions or sex offender registrations or an equivalent version of background or registered sex offender checks in your local jurisdiction (if available).
As I read this (from airbnb) their demand of your personal data smells even more fishy... After all, they already removed any responsibility in case you presented fraud data...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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