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Sadly I'm one of the guys they made up that cliche about. I pack flares and beef jerky when I have to go to the grocery store, just in case.
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Hey @OriginalGriff, from the makers of your favourite Imaging software.
AOMEI Partition Assistant Pro[^] is free today but you'll pay for updates later. You can pay to get lifetime upgrades for a fee, but I won't mention that as when I do I get visits from men in Mankini's telling me not to post that type of stuff. So just keep that last part quite.
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I have it already - it does what it says on the tin!
Thanks for the heads up though. 
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Gparted is free every day. Run it from a liveCD or USB stick 
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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It strikes me that whereas physical, on-site servers offer more bangs for less buck year by year; the cost of cloud servers is only likely to rise as people become tethered to a particular service provider.
If I'm right on that (and I may well not be, I really haven't had any great deal of exposure to the cloud), that would suggest that at some point there will be a massive re-migration from the cloud back to the server room.
What are the thoughts of the more enlightened?
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There's another issue at play as well: security and liability.
A large part of the expense of running cloud services is the expense of securing it (for the provider), and the potential for liability for breaches to resident systems.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
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And that's part of what worries me about the whole cloud thing: what's going to disappear during the first cost-cutting exercise? Yes: the stuff you can't see being used ... until you wish you still had it.
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Well, for any enterprise level SLA with a cloud provider, security audit rights are generally standard form. That's not a big deal, normally at any point you can call an audit from your own cyber team or from a hired service.
One of my go-to suggestions for anyone looking to setup an enclave that doesn't contain national security data is to use a cloud provider. It completely sh*ts the (very expensive) burden of operating and securing the infrastructure to the cloud provider. Now, from that point all you're left in a position of worrying about application configuration control, application baselines, and log aggregation, and that's about it. All the really messy stuff, the network monitoring, the SA work, updates, host security monitoring...these are all contractually managed by the provider (depending on if you're using PaaS, SaaS, or WhateveraaS). That also means that financial liability for intrusions is often also at the foot of that provider.
I suspect that as more enterprises move to the cloud and more breaches occur, the more expensive it will be to operate as a cloud provider, therefore they'll charge more for their services, and the more incentive you'll see for a return to on-premises.
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Already happening.
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[just like picking a phone plan] cloud providers expect customers to figure out their own provisioning: both charging huge markups for customers going over, or otherwise expecting customers to pay [in advance] for more than they will need. - either way they can advertise say $x/MB but in reality actual usage vs provisioning no one will ever achieve that rate, (
OIOW a provider they can buy 10000 TB of equipment and safely sell 12000 "1 TB plans")
It gets way worse when it comes to computing power , kubernauticals and all that shite, customers have to provision: (number of connections + compute power per connection + space requirements per connection + ...) X number of applications
roll on IPV6,
- everybody/company can have multiple dedicated for life addresses,
- less worry about data being hacked (hackers rather target huge clod provider vs some tiny company)
- security systems/software will improve
summary: when IPv6 is finally sorted or more importantly v4 is killed I reckon many might (and I say should) shift back to their own servers.
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Like climate change, IT paradigms cycle from one extreme to the other on a regular basis.
I sit in a room adjacent to a data center. A mandate was passed down that we have to have the data center completely migrated to "the cloud" by the end of September.
This is a government operation, so cost is no concern, and neither will it be when we migrate back to an on-site data center.
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#realJSOP wrote: This is a government operation, so cost is no concern, and neither will it be when we migrate back to an on-site data center.
Just set everything up so you only need to turn the power back on when everything's scheduled to come back on-site. Pocket the money saved. There's your way into retirement.
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They are going to physically remove the racks and the raised floor, and build a cubicle far m in its place. If they do change their minds, the racks will be re-purchased and placed in a different location.
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Yeah, I had no doubt about that. Would be amazing in fact if they realized they wanted to go back and still have the older system in place. Well, that's how you keep some people employed...
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Wait for the nightmare when connectivity to the servers migrated to the cloud is way slower than when it was in the local datacenter. As a fellow gov't schmuck, we deal with this all the time with email that has been migrated from local Exchange servers to regionalized email servers. Email is slow, sporadic, and often times just plain unavailable, especially on the classified network where it's horrific. Good luck!
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I'm not sure that connectivity would necessarily degrade any further than they already have.
Yesterday, we were at the end of a 4-hour data pull, and somebody (in the windows admin office) applied a new group policy to the server, and it turned on the firewall with default settings usually applied to desktops, which terminated our connection to the remote service. It took an hour to determine exactly what happened, and another two hours to fix it, and there is no guarantee it won't happen again. By the time we were ready to restart the data pull, the DBA had left for the day. This kind of sh*t happens *every day* here.
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PeejayAdams wrote: the cost of cloud servers is only likely to rise as people become tethered to a particular service provider.
Fortunately the market provides a lot of competition. Digital Ocean hasn't changed their $5/mo 1GB 1CPU offering in years.
Another trend that I'm watching with interest is distributed computing / P2P computing -- technically not "the cloud" but it offers a potential challenge to the (ironically) monolithic providers like Amazon and Azure -- what would it be like if individuals sold storage / compute / page serving capabilities where the web app was distributed across hundreds, if not thousands, of devices, from a simply rPI to a super high performance machine? Redundancy is part of the lure of distributed computing, and of course security is one of the major issues to solve.
Regardless, I see distributed computing as a potential future where these huge, power hungry, space consuming, eye sore data centers become replaced by, well, every connected device that sits their mostly idle.
As an example, while I'm at work, I have a small web server, a development machine, an Intel NUC, a Byte3 Mini PC, and an rPI just sitting around doing pretty much doing nothing, all on, all connected. Heck, they do pretty much nothing while I'm at home too!
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PeejayAdams wrote: ...from the cloud back to the server room.
Aren't those the same thing? I mean, "cloud servers" have to physically exist somewhere, correct? Before "the cloud" was a term, where did the servers reside that we stored our data on?
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It's "Server Room" when you can see the servers. It's "Cloud" when you can't. 
(I can just see the day when some PHB at Amazon asks "All of our clients' data is in the Cloud, isn't it? So what do we need all these servers for?")
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David Crow wrote: Aren't those the same thing?
No! When we refer to cloud, we are talking about saving data in the ones above in sky. That is why cloud hosting is very popular in England while not so much in middle East.
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Yes, sorry, I meant "on-site server room."
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: physical, on-site servers offer more bangs for less buck year by year;
We've found that using Azure is much less expensive than having our own servers.
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...doing what?
If you're on some MS partner program and already get a bunch of Azure credits, then sure.
But if you actually have to pay for a large amount of bandwidth, storage, and instances of machines with a sh*tload of CPU and memory each...those meters start to spin pretty fast.
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The savings comes in not having to hire someone or many people to maintain and patch your own servers.
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I suppose depending on the scale of it, it makes sense.
I work at home but have more VMs that need to be patched than exist at my (small) employer's actual office. For that--even though I'm just one guy here at home--I use WSUS.
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