Click here to Skip to main content
14,360,042 members

Welcome to the Lounge

   

For discussing anything related to a software developer's life but is not for programming questions. Got a programming question?

The Lounge is rated Safe For Work. If you're about to post something inappropriate for a shared office environment, then don't post it. No ads, no abuse, and no programming questions. Trolling, (political, climate, religious or whatever) will result in your account being removed.
 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
kmoorevs13-May-19 6:08
memberkmoorevs13-May-19 6:08 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
#realJSOP13-May-19 6:40
mve#realJSOP13-May-19 6:40 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
dandy7213-May-19 8:26
memberdandy7213-May-19 8:26 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
Dominic Burford13-May-19 22:34
professionalDominic Burford13-May-19 22:34 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
dandy7215-May-19 5:09
memberdandy7215-May-19 5:09 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
Dominic Burford15-May-19 5:41
professionalDominic Burford15-May-19 5:41 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
Eddy Vluggen13-May-19 23:04
mveEddy Vluggen13-May-19 23:04 
GeneralRe: Debugging and diagnosis is not being taught Pin
Member 798912214-May-19 12:53
memberMember 798912214-May-19 12:53 
Remins me of a few years when I was working with a couple of EE engieers, 50% self-taught in programming, and I had to help them out debugging a lot of software. I impressed them a lot, pinpointing problems quite rapidly, and the they frequently asked me, like,

- How did you know how to set the breakpoint exactly there?
- I don't know... Well, it turned out well, didn't it?

- What made you look at that variable, just when it went crazy?
- Good as any, but when it changed, it put us on the track, didn't it?

I couldn't explain even to myself what were good breakpoint position, values to trace or whatever. It is just an instinct. You can't expect everybody to have that instinct.

Nowadays I have nobody looking over my shoulder, getting impressed. But if I did, I would have a hard time explaining my hows and whys of debugging. I didn't really learn it from anyone, it just came by experience. It came early to me, most of it during my studies. Maybe today's development environments do not give you the same kind of learning experiences as those we had when we submitted code batches on punched cards to the computer center. In my case, that ended after my freshman year, but even with interactive terminals, we retained this idea of the program residing down in our semi-unconciousness. as a breeding ground for whatever instinctive ideas about how to debug the programs.

I don't think today's students "internalize" the programs nearly as much as we did when I was that age.
GeneralI was sent this inspirational message... Pin
OriginalGriff12-May-19 22:16
protectorOriginalGriff12-May-19 22:16 
GeneralRe: I was sent this inspirational message... Pin
RickZeeland12-May-19 22:28
mveRickZeeland12-May-19 22:28 
GeneralWSO CCC 2019 05 13 Pin
Tim Deveaux12-May-19 19:30
memberTim Deveaux12-May-19 19:30 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 Pin
OriginalGriff12-May-19 23:17
protectorOriginalGriff12-May-19 23:17 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 Pin
pkfox13-May-19 1:44
professionalpkfox13-May-19 1:44 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 Pin
OriginalGriff13-May-19 1:52
protectorOriginalGriff13-May-19 1:52 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 Pin
OriginalGriff12-May-19 23:47
protectorOriginalGriff12-May-19 23:47 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 Pin
pkfox13-May-19 2:05
professionalpkfox13-May-19 2:05 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 [Answer] Pin
Tim Deveaux13-May-19 3:32
memberTim Deveaux13-May-19 3:32 
GeneralRe: WSO CCC 2019 05 13 [Answer] Pin
pkfox13-May-19 4:14
professionalpkfox13-May-19 4:14 
GeneralGit, Again Pin
Kevin Marois12-May-19 9:19
professionalKevin Marois12-May-19 9:19 
GeneralRe: Git, Again Pin
RickZeeland12-May-19 9:52
mveRickZeeland12-May-19 9:52 
GeneralRe: Git, Again Pin
glennPattonWork12-May-19 23:11
professionalglennPattonWork12-May-19 23:11 
GeneralRe: Git, Again Pin
Richard Deeming13-May-19 9:31
mveRichard Deeming13-May-19 9:31 
GeneralRe: Git, Again Pin
rnbergren14-May-19 15:36
memberrnbergren14-May-19 15:36 
GeneralRe: Git, Again Pin
Richard Deeming15-May-19 1:19
mveRichard Deeming15-May-19 1:19 
GeneralMS Forum People are Pretentious Jerks Pin
#realJSOP12-May-19 4:57
mve#realJSOP12-May-19 4:57 

General General    News News    Suggestion Suggestion    Question Question    Bug Bug    Answer Answer    Joke Joke    Praise Praise    Rant Rant    Admin Admin   

Use Ctrl+Left/Right to switch messages, Ctrl+Up/Down to switch threads, Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right to switch pages.