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I've got colleagues/friends who seriously argues that in ordinary prose, we should stsart enclosing conditions in parentheses, 'If (it is raining), use an umbrella'. It would make the text clearer and less ambiguous, they claim. Seriously.
I counter by pointing out that Pascal didn't require parentheses, yet there was no ambiguiety. But then you have to use a 'then'! my friends argue. To prove their point they dig up a dozen quotes from different prose texts, where recognized authors write sentences of the kind 'If it is raining, use an umbrella'. Which proves that the 'then' is superfluous. Pascal was wrong! Parentheses are far more general that this silly 'then', e.g. you can use the same mechanism for grouping partial conditions as you use for delimiting the full condition.
I am serious: They are serious, insisting on introducing C syntax in prose.
In my younger days, I found it fascinating trying to work out counterarguments to such logic. Now I am so old that I just shake my head in disbelief.
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Time to start using back ticks in prose.
`C U Later`
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I'm all for formally disambiguating language precedence constructs.
I have a recipe and it says "Wash lemon. Zest, then juice half the lemon".
I always think of this statement in terms of the distributive property:
Zest, then juice half the lemon = (Zest, then juice half) the lemon
= Zest the lemon, then juice half the lemon.
But I'm never really sure. Maybe they actually mean:
Zest, then juice half the lemon = (Zest, then juice) half the lemon
= Zest half the lemon, then juice half the lemon.
It does my head in.
That's like the old joke:
Programmer: I’m heading to the store. Any requests?
Spouse: Pick up a loaf a bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.
Programmer: OK.
An hour later, Programmer returns home with a dozen loaves of bread.
Spouse: Why’d you buy a dozen loaves of bread?
Programmer: They had eggs!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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That reminds me of this : boiling potatoes[^]
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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You could always make the switch to VB!  (good thing the lounge is safe from downvoting)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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...when every competing concept in my head get jumbled together into a confusing morass;
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And as I'm installing it's telling me about all the wonderful improvements.
And what is Number 1 on their list?Quote: Over 50 bug fixes, based on customer input
So ... the best reason for your "good reasons to update" is ... Corel actually fixed some bugs. 
I can't remember that actually happening before, normally they make it more complicated and harder to use, and add bugs. Will wonders never cease?
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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"based on customer input" implies that they actually read the complaints as well.
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Implies that they have laid off all testers ages ago
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"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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They have testers? 
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Sure. Did you not read the fine print when you installed it?
Edit: I just saw that you did not install anything. Good for you, bad for Griff. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Hmm. We call those "customers".
Software Zen: delete this;
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I'm still on X2, but that's only because I bought it under the influence, otherwise I'd still be with the last Jasc version.
What I do have, though, is the Anim workshop from Jasc, that came with PSP 7 or thereabouts (it's Anim 3.04, which I believe was the last version).
Corel dumped it, but it ain't broke. Just run the installer, and deselect PSP.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Does it give anything special that cannot be gotten from Gimp 2 ?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Does it give anything special that cannot be gotten from Gimp 2 ?
50 bugs fixed! can GIMP match that?
BTW: can't win, if they fixed more it's a buggier product, if they fixed less then question are they (volunteers I know) doing their job?
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Lopatir wrote: 50 bugs fixed! can GIMP match that?
OK - good point.
OK - How about: the cost/bug-fix, for any time period of interest, is much much lower with Gimp 2.
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I tried GIMP for windows and got really tired of the crashing. That was a couple of years back...maybe they've fixed it by now.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that has to deal with images and such...a lot lately in fact. 
Paint and the ancient MS Photo Editor still get the job done....mostly cropping/resizing/changing formats.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Don't know - I "grew up" with Paintshop Pro when it was a JASC* product, having switched from Corel Photo-Paint due to the humongous number of bugs it had developed, and finally switched from the final JASC version (10) to Corel X6 because it didn't support Aero so writing manuals was becoming a PITA.
I did try Gimp version one, but frankly it was a puddle of pooh compared to ... well anything, really ... and that put me right off it and I never tried again.
Is Paintshop Pro any good? Damn right it is: think Photoshop without the price, Adobe, or Hipster worship level. 
(They do a free 30 day trial, if you want to try it).
* "Just Another Software Company"
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I have used all 3, and I currently have a paid subscription to Photo Shop, but Gimp ranks last in my list.
I always had a soft spot for JASC/Corel PSP. I started with that product.
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Used to love JASC PSP. Always hated Corel... well... Corel everything.
When Corel took over PSP I bailed out immediately.
Kicked the tires on a few others before finally settling on Paint.NET.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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OK, the subscription model is cheaper than PhotoShop used to be ($700? ) but that's still £120 pa - I just bought the latest version of PSP (full, not upgrade, it was cheaper that way*) for £21.99.
* Corel pricing is ... um ... "different": it can vary on an hourly basis. I suspect it's at least partly linked to the value of bitcoin and sunspot activity.
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OriginalGriff wrote: OK, the subscription model is cheaper than PhotoShop used to be ($700? ) but that's still £120 pa - I just bought the latest version of PSP (full, not upgrade, it was cheaper that way*) for £21.99.
Griff,
Not sure if I'll make use of it so just having a think since I've got 3 days till the end of the financial year and finalising buying all my claimable items.
Did you get PaintShop Pro 2019 or PaintShop Pro 2019 Ultimate? Any idea what the extra itmes they mention are useful for?
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Ultimate: The addons are toys, mostly:
Painter Essentials is a cut down version of Painter, that allows you to be artistic with "natural paint" - it can convert an image into a oil painting, or a water colour, and allow you to edit them. Could be good for christmas cards and so on, but I haven't played with it much (only just got it yesterday).
Photo Mirage "animates" an existing picture: YouTube[^]. I have no idea if I'll ever use it.
AfterShot is a RAW camera file editor and converter - it's not bad, certainly better than what came with my DSLR - but then it's a Minolta and they went away years ago (I just like the way they work so I've stuck with it)
Perfectly Clear is automated photo retouch software, which can do a very good job of improving an image before you use it.
Creative Collection is a bunch of brushes, textures and background images - some good, some useless (as is the way of such collections)
On first look PSP 2019 looks "cleaner" than X9 - the interface has been streamlined, and the (for me) useless "Manage ... Adjust ... Edit" pages have merged into a VS-alike "Home" screen and an "Edit window". The UI also seems to be more configurable, with variable icon sizes, text size, ...
Time will tell - I have nothing "serious" to do with images in the pipeline, so I'll play when I get a few hours to find everything. First off, can I import my macros or do I have to recreate them ...
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I'm still using PSP 8.0 on my windows VMs because it doesn't have the nagware in it (that comes in the paid version of the latest offering).
I don't have really severe needs, so 8.0 is good enough.
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