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dandy72 wrote: MS uses premium parts in their Pro lineup.
I can't explain why I winced when I read that  I am curious if you have seen some tear-down article somewhere that made such comments. cheers, Bill
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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It's been long established that MS created the Surface devices (at least the Pro ones) to showcase what the software can do on good hardware, since OEMs were doing such a piss-poor job of it, in the name of minimizing expenses and maximizing profits.
BillWoodruff wrote: I am curious if you have seen some tear-down article somewhere that made such comments
The tear-down articles invariably mention how easy (or difficult) the hardware is to take apart for some "repairability score", which has little to do with the choice of hardware used. I didn't buy the tablet to take it apart or replace hardware. In this sense, MS isn't any more guilty of any wrongdoing than, say, Apple is with its own tablets.
But what do I know, I'm just using my own 5+ years worth of experience using the device first-hand to judge it with, not based on the opinion of some blogger paid to rip MS to shreds because it's the popular thing to do and makes for a clickbait headline.
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Your experience ... I could never question that ! But, given your opinion:
dandy72 wrote: long established that MS created the Surface devices (at least the Pro ones) to showcase what the software can do on good hardware
I simply ask for some evidence.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Microsoft Surface Pro 5 Teardown - iFixit[^] Here ya go.
Although I've never owned a Surface, I agree with Dandy. When introduced "high quality" components was a selling point and every teardown I've seen (as well as anecdotal evidence) supports that claim.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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I would not generalize from a tear-down of the very expensive SP5 to other models.
cheers, Bill
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Here's an idea... don't buy a Surface and continue to believe and disbelieve whatever you like. 
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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What Mike said.
All the evidence I have to offer is based on my experience, which I realize is completely subjective. I can't provide any link, but I've seen plenty of videos where some of the higher-ups involved in that team at MS have said time and again that they're resisting the temptation to introduce a cheaper Surface tablet that can compete with some of the OEM ones, but they can't match the price because they'd have to switch to lesser-known component manufacturers.
And I have to believe they couldn't get away with those premium prices if they already were using cheap parts.
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dandy72 wrote: plenty of videos where some of the higher-ups involved in that team at MS have said time and again that they're resisting the temptation to introduce a cheaper Surface tablet
What else would they say ?
dandy72 wrote: And I have to believe they couldn't get away with those premium prices if they already were using cheap parts.
An interesting hypothesis that discounts the possibility of greed.
fyi: I respect your opinions, but, remain sceptical ... I am, by choice, and by habit, sceptical about everything 
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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BillWoodruff wrote: What else would they say ?
I dunno, something along the lines of, "We're introducing a new line of Surface products at more affordable prices, targeting a different market"...? But then, they'd start competing with the OEMs, who would then immediately start complaining loudly.
BillWoodruff wrote: An interesting hypothesis that discounts the possibility of greed.
There's only so far greed could get them. They don't have the brand name people are blindly willing to spend money on, unlike That Fruit Company. If it sells, even when it commands a premium price, it's because they have the product that justifies it. And it does sell--MS has consistently been reporting in their last few quarterly financial reports that the Surface line is making them money.
You wanna compare it with cheap crap? I have an HP Stream 7--which is exactly how not to do a Windows tablet. It sold for cheap, and a premium price would be completely unjustified. They would've sold 3, and then world would've been warned to stay away from them.
Quote: fyi: I respect your opinions, but, remain sceptical ... I am, by choice, and by habit, sceptical about everything
I wouldn't have it any other way! 
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Because no new Wookie Tab or why did you switch to Surface?
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Nobody has ever owned 2 WookieTabs... Griff didn't know it was possible.
The Beer Prayer - Our lager, which art in barrels, hallowed be thy drink. Thy will be drunk, I will be drunk, at home as it is in the tavern. Give us this day our foamy head, and forgive us our spillage as we forgive those who spill against us. And lead us not to incarceration, but deliver us from hangovers. For thine is the beer, the bitter and the lager, for ever and ever. Barmen.
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Because 2 1/2 years for a Wookietab begins to look like it's the long end of the bell curve, and when I can get a ex-display Surface Pro 3 complete with Type Cover for less than a new WookieTab it's got to be worth a try ...
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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So you had a Chewie tablet? Is that like a Flintstone Vitamin?
This space for rent.
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That sounds like a Thought of the Day.
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so i have this parse tree hierarchy.
any time I want I can go
foreach(var node in root.FillClosure()) {
}
which iterates over every node, starting at the root.
this makes the inner part of the loop pretty much the same as a Visit method
would you bother implementing a visitor pattern on top of this?
most parser do, which is why I ask.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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show code => QA
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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I haven't made the code yet. If I made the code the question would be moot wouldn't it? Are you yanking my chain? =)
I showed how to visit nodes above. A visitor pattern just works like that old xml "sax parser" used to. It calls you on every node, usually depth first traversal.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Would you consider changing your username to "codewitch" only ? "honey the monster, codewitch" causes your posts in the forum to use two lines instead of one and set my asperger syndrom to red alarm level.
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i'm the oddball in any given room. you may have to cope. I'm a lil monster after all.
I'll see. Honey the monster is sort of my thing. Codewitch also is.
If i'm nice it means sacrifice. I'll stew on it.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the monster, codewitch wrote: If i'm nice it means sacrifice
OK, then I will have to invoke some daemons to make it change. GNARK.
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i don't use daemons. Just TSRs. I'm oldschool like that.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote: TSR
Now there's an acronym I haven't heard in a long, long time.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Since you are so far into the trees, maybe consider "Hierophant" rather than "Witch" ?
But, I'm partial; hierarchies are of great interest to me intellectually: more specifically, how you conceptualize and implement complex relationships between disparate hierarchies (as in graph databases).
best wishes on your quest from another pilgrim; as one of my mentors said:
Quote: “The beginning, middle, and end of the birth, growth, and perfection of whatever we behold is from contraries, by contraries, and to contraries; and whatever contrariety is, there is action and reaction, there is motion, diversity, multitude, and order, there are degrees, succession and vicissitude.”
Giordano Bruno, circa 1600CE: his writings, and his refusing to recant them, got him burned at the stake in 1609CE.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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