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Personally, I'm just not convinced the cloud idea is a good one (handing your data over to total strangers in a different country and expecting it to be both safe and secure seems like going back to a centralised computer department to me, only worse) so I'm not that interested in learning how to do it ...
I think we need to fix some of the more evident problems with the web first, then consider data centralisation (security, identity, replacing HTML/Javascript with something real, that kind of thing).
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I was thinking along the same line - all the cloud idea reminds me the worst part of the mainframe experience... However, it seems, a lot do not even know what I'm talking about and far to lazy to learn history...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Yeah - but with the added fun and games of handing your data to a company that probably employs at minimum wage, and the employee security checking consists of "can you start Monday?". 
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: and far to lazy to learn history...
They are probably doomed to repeat it then.
I, for one, like Roman Numerals.
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OriginalGriff wrote: handing your data over to total strangers in a different country and expecting it to be both safe and secure seems
First of all, you can get a local cloud. But the idea is that they are experts in security and hosting since it is all they do. It allows you to not have to spend time focusing on that aspect of business. If you think you know security just as well as cloud providers and you have the time to keep patching your firewalls and servers and such then the cloud may not be for you. But most people are not experts in everything.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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Good point. One misstep nullifies everything. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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All it takes is one fact to scupper a whole theory! 
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OriginalGriff wrote: All it takes is one fact to scupper a whole theory
In that case, there is no model of security anywhere. So, who cares? 
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Not really, but the internet generally is about as secure as a chocolate teapot, and expecting that to change when companies more interested in money that your data are intimately involved is a long reach!
I hate to say it, but most of the "security aware" developers out there couldn't secure an elastic band without grabbing random code from SO.
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OriginalGriff wrote: but most of the "security aware" developers
Now you're making my point for me. Don't leave security to just your developers. Hope that your cloud provider is an expert on security.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Hope
Sure, but I'd rather hope that a person who's only job is to provide secure data access knows what they are doing over hoping an in-house IT guy who is responsible for everything or a developer knows and keeps up with all the changes.
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Well, in my limited experience you'll have to hope about equally much in both cases.
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OriginalGriff wrote: All it takes is one fact to scupper a whole theory!
Oh - if only that were true...
I, for one, like Roman Numerals.
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It is true, for real scientific theories. It isn't for "belief systems" dressed up as theories.
For theories like Evolution, General Relativity: they make predictions which can be tested. Events happen, which can be checked against the theory and either confirm it, or disprove it. Quantum mechanics will probably disprove some of GR, when we learn how to do proper tests - but it works for the moment on a large scale.
For a belief system, anything which contradicts is shouted down, or ignored: Intelligent Design, anybody?
Regrettably, as the mind becomes older and more rigid, a Theory tends to slide into a Belief.
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AI is such a bloated topic. A few years ago, IoT and cloud and "connected" objects were the new black, now it is AI - and frankly, 99,99% of things that are called "AI" are not even close to anything about artificial intelligence at all... Even a PID controller is artificial intelligence by today's standards. It is crazy how this damn freaking "ultraconnected" "social media" "buzz-addicted" society is going to ruin everything...
So honestly, no wonder Cloud in AI has no success.
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Me was wondering always how the 'I' part is actually got it's name... We not even know how Human Intelligence works (not even agreed on what it is), but already building the Artificial version?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: ... but already building the Artificial version?
Starting right with the Holy Grail? Has this ever at any time or place led anywhere? At least we will probably not have the Terminator knocking at the door anytime soon.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: We not even know how Human Intelligence works (not even agreed on what it is)
No wonder. You have more neurons in your head than there are stars in the galaxy. These neurons already start processing inputs and forming their network while you are still being assembled. Since you don't get a fresh installation of Monkey 10 (after Monkey 8 was a failure and Monkey 9 was skipped and many still hold on to Monkey 7), it looks like this thing actually programs itself. You need a little more than just a heap of neurons to do that in a fairly deterministic way. The real thing is the product of many million years of evolution. Artificial evolution of the 'hardware' may need time on a similar scale.
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His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Not only are we (i.e. humans corporately, not CPers) aiming for Artificial Intelligence, but we are looking for extra-terrestrial intelligence (SETI). The real reason must be that we have given up looking for terrestrial intelligence of any kind (excluding dolphins).
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I would not want a computer to operate in the same manner that 'intelligence' operates.
You know those "optical illusions"? Those are your brain processing visual inputs quickly to come to the wrong conclusion so that you can avoid that tiger stalking you in the jungle.
Neil deGrasse Tyson calls "optical illusions" "brain failures".
I wouldn't want a computer system to be as poor at processing data accurately as my brain is.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: I wouldn't want a computer system to be as poor at processing data accurately as my brain is.
Then better don't look up what the word 'heuristic' actually means.
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His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I know, which then brings up the area of non-deterministic functions/methods/algorithms.
So for the same input you could be getting different results, or for a very small difference in input you could get a very large difference in the result.
Computer systems have tended to be seen as very much deterministic systems and with the advent of AI we hit the problem where it may not be possible to explain or justify why a result was reached because of the underlying complexity of weightings.
Which means that we would need to develop tools that could analyse and explain why a certain result had been arrived at, which would also incur a massive overhead of saving all versions of weightings/algorithms for each result. As if it was a heuristic system that changed its weightings/algorithms at will the original 'checked in' code may not have been what was used to produce this current result.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Do we don't like the 'cloud' idea?
I don't like it at all. If I want to play mainframe, I expect to get a 300 baud VT100.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Do we prefer other services than AWS used in the tutorial?
Yes, indeed. For AI I prefer the services of my GeForce chipset on the graphics card.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Or we just simply to bricked an old to (re)learn new/old tricks?
If something does not interest me, it does not interest me. That has nothing to do with age. I already was like that when I was 12 and it has not changed. The list of things that once were 'in' and have died without ever getting any attention from me is long. BASIC, anyone? 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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