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My sister was once asked by a ten year-old pupil: "Miss, did they have technology when you were young?"
She told him that she's have to search her memory banks and get back to him.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Without technology we couldn't exist as we do.
They call me different but the truth is they're all the same!
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Hi All,
I have an issue the device I am working on will not work, worked yesterday, install Eset Anti-virus, appears to work, Eset runs all night scan. System wont run today...Eset removed... still won't connect... I am suspicious...this has happened before... 
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did the anti-virus quarantined something ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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you know that windows defender has been rated among, if not the best AV solution for win10.
[on the rare occasions I us w10] I've never bothered with anything else
- long time immune to the snake oil sales pitch put out by AV companies
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Some of the other solutions (I'm looking at McAfee particularly) are worse than the viruses it protects you against! 
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helped someone set up some lenovo laptops, they bundle in mccafe
among the first things I did was remove that and switch them back to defender.
not being picky, [showed the guy why]: mccafe kept on bitching and stopping during install of the official xerox printer suite and drivers. One wrong answer and kiss using the office printer goodbye.
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Around here it is referred to as McCrapee... 
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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Just because this is The Lounge don't think "doesn't work" is going to fly.
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I also use MBAM, together with Windows Defender, and I had a similar case of a "false positive" in MBAM, and I think I was able to provide info about it through Malwarebyte website so that they could update their database. This loop takes longer but I do not see this MBAM detection coming back - it looks like this worked, at least in my case …
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The little bleeder, I have to have an IP connection to use a some hardware. Fine. The hardware then talks to another piece of software (IP) to talk back to the software simulation of another bit of hardware.
The issue was the Eset getting in the way of the connection back to my PC despite it being told to ignore the issue. Why the blood and stomach pills didn't somebody look at this, it is causing my Team no end of problems! We have to excluded from the group, so here we are swinging in the breeze... 
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Haha same thing happened to me.
Inside Visual Studio I ran the application.
It recompiled it due to fresh changes then it all went really really slow.
Next it reported that the executable didn't exist.
WTE
Then MBAM notifier popped up after some delay with.... "Machine Learning Detected" and executable quarantined.
To be fair though, the application was doing some unusual things that may have triggered this response.
The app was encrypted and used a boot loader to launch it into memory.
It monitored all existing and new USB connections and checked their type and their serial numbers.
So I can imagine that their engine may see this as suspicious and then false positive my app.
Turns out that a lot of other AV software reacted similarly.
Don't care that much as this is not distributed widely at all.
I have heard of developers having nightmares with anti-virus software companies who do not alter their detection strategies for innocent software.
However it appears from what I have seen on the Net, and reported by Tachyonx in the post below, that Malwarebytes does modify their code in order to avoid false positives, if there are complaints.
Most AV software has caused problems for me at some stage through their use.
Many of them have become viruses themselves almost. When removed everything becomes fast and works again.
I don't trust them. Most seem to like finding issues to keep you feeling like you are being protected when you know that it is BS.
Malwarebytes has been the best so far. The least intrusive, not much slowness induced and rapid response when required.
Good when in a browser as well.
Although they say that they are anti-malware more than anti-virus. Still the same thing essentially.
Also it is interesting to note that MBAM doesn't detect Eicar Virus string.
They say that it isn't a real virus so why the heck perform a false positive on it.
They say better to work on real issues instead of wasting time.
Sounds a little petty, but, I can sort of understand. It could introduce more false positives.
Gee, sorry, I just wanted to comment on your post and it has turn into a rave almost.
Oh Well.... it is Thursday here. Maybe that explains it.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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So this application has an order entity.
You'd expect something like order and order detail, but instead we get an order with product1, product2, product3, product4 and price1, price2, price3, price4.
Because there would never be more than four products.
Actually make that five!
Hilarity ensued as the original programmer tried to fit in a fifth product and had to go through the entire application to add another product.
Everything I'm doing now is basically work around this ridiculous setup.
So anyway, each product requires a report to be printed and all reports need to be printed before the order can be invoiced.
So you'd expect a printed1, printed2, printed3...
Except it's a single field with "01101".
The first digit represents the status of product1, the second of product2, etc.
And a "1" means it's NOT printed.
I'm not even sure how it works for orders with less than five products.
And the old orders only have four digits so I'm not even sure if that ever works out or we need to do some data update on all orders.
This is a fairly recent application written by someone with over 30 years of experience in software development 
And he's not even the worst software developer I know 
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Sander Rossel wrote: And he's not even the worst software developer I know
Oh Fu... ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Sander Rossel wrote: This is a fairly recent application written by someone with over 30 years of experience in software development
So he's had plenty of time to come up with easy and time-saving workarounds...
Actually, that is always a problem in my opinion. You can do a solution in 100 different ways, anywhere between "Laziest and dirtiest solution you've ever seen" and "99.9% protected against nuclear holocaust and ALL other possible disasters"
You have to select a solution that's good enough to fulfill the purpose while also beeing within the time- and money span the customer is willing to pay for. Not too much and not too little.
I do find this solution a teeny tiny bit on the wanting side, though...
Let me guess: The application is written in VB, right? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
modified 23-Oct-19 7:52am.
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Sander Rossel wrote: And WinForms!
Whohoa there! Don't knock Winforms when I'm listening to it. I much prefer Winforms over ANY kind of Web development - if nothing else, just because I don't have to deal with Javascript and CSS...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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I thought so too for a loooong time.
But now that I'm back to doing WinForms I'm not so convinced anymore
For one thing, data binding is far more easier on web apps.
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Ah, but I would love working on an application like the one you mention. Just to be able to say "What bleedin' elephanting c*nt wrote this brain dead code" and NOT find out upon investigating that it was in fact myself...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Sander Rossel wrote: Except it's a single field with "01101".
Inverse bit fields for state? Was this code imported from COBOL or Fortran? Or assembly??? 
> his is a fairly recent application written by someone with over 30 years of experience in software development
Maybe not the code, but seems like to programmer was "imported" from an era long gone!
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Marc Clifton wrote: Was this code imported from COBOL or Fortran? Or assembly???
Imported directly from a sick mind
Marc Clifton wrote: seems like to programmer was "imported" from an era long gone!
Yes, in fact I'm taking over this code because he's retiring! 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I'm taking over this code because he's retiring
That explains the issue, he had built in job security. Oh you need another product that will take 3 months to add and another month to test.
I pride myself on having changed my way of thinking over a long period of development, this guy still thinks the way a junior programmer would (certainly not a developer).
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Never attribute to malice that which can simply be explained by stupidity 
Besides, this guy didn't need the job security as he was already sort of retired, just did a friend a favor.
Not that this guy is stupid.
He knows a lot about a lot and I know he's a great manager and salesman, but he can't write code for sh*t
I have to give him credit though, the application works and the customer is satisfied.
They considered another party, but they could not do what this guy did and it was more expensive too.
I know a professional IT club at another likewise company around here can't get it to work at all!
These guys need three days of work for what this badly written software does in an afternoon.
I tried contacting this other company to offer them my services, but the responsible person wouldn't even come to the phone, call me back or respond to my email 
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