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I'd buy it just for the sake of having it sit on a shelf.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I'd buy it just for the sake of having it sit on a shelf.
I felt the same way, but I was too lazy to lug the 50lbs + out the door. 
Also, I wanted to try reading some of it again and see if I understood it this time. First time, it was all over my head -- for the most part. 
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MSDN was better, those days.
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CPallini wrote: MSDN was better, those days.
I agree.
Back then MIcrosoft knew they had to explain it or no one else would.
Now, everyone thinks, "I don't need to do no 'splainin cuz it already been done somewheres else on the Internet prolly. So no one really explains. Oh, that 2nd param no one explains what it is. 
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raddevus wrote: Now, everyone thinks, "I don't need to do no 'splainin cuz it already been done somewheres else on the Internet prolly. So no one really explains.
And only today we've seen how well that works[^].
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Fully half of that boat anchor is that MFC shite.
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Greg Utas wrote: is that MFC shite.
I liked MFC. OOP wrappers around API. Nice and clean.
But I was a newbie in 1995-8 and OOP was rising and I jumped on the New Thing Boat and this was my anchor. 
But, alas, MFC went away for the most part...was ignored when C# came out and all that learning...down the drain. MFC was a weird sidebar but I still liked it.
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I never liked MFC, it always struck me as over complicated, especially those ridiculous macros just to generate a simple jump table. Probably because of my machine code and assembler background, I much preferred the Win32 API.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I never liked MFC, it always struck me as over complicated, especially those ridiculous macros just to generate a simple jump table. Probably because of my machine code and assembler background, I much preferred the Win32 API
Yeah, I remember my mentor at the time felt the same way.
I think the thing I liked about it at the time was the distance I got from the Windows Message loop.
It was wrapped up nicely in MFC template project.
Of course in the original WinAPI you had to handle it all yourself.
MFC was kind of like the jump to C# way before C#. But it wasn't as nice as C#, of course.
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At the time, I liked MFC (serialization, for instance, was a kind of magic). Now I appreciate more the Winapi.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I much preferred the Win32 API
And that eminently portable help-file version of its documentation.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I was being a bit unfair. As much as anything, it was the documentation ratio (MFC : C++ = 1 : 1) that triggered my reaction.
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I liked it too and still use to. It has become obvious that MFC is on life-support now so we are moving on.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Yeah, it's amazing that VSTudio still even supports MFC. It's too bad it didn't take off like C#. I liked it better because it was more esoteric. Seemed more like hidden knowledge you had to go into the cave and explore for. Then along came C# and brought everything out into the light and everyone was dragging and dropping and developing.
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I think C# is an abomination of a language and can't stand it. Only managed C++ is worse - that is horrific. I remember vividly the marketing when it (C#) and .Net was introduced. It was touted as essentially existing because c++ is "too difficult" and that is total nonsense. It seems to me this attitude has extended itself to the "everyone can program" movement. My view on that is maybe so, but it is painfully obvious that not everyone should.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Me too, I wrote a ton of MFC applications.
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darktrick544 wrote: Me too, I wrote a ton of MFC applications.
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Your articles promote an alternative.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Rather more limited (console UI only), and more like the STL (trying to be platform independent). But from a big picture standpoint, yes.
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raddevus wrote: but all you needed (1998)
OK - I'll bite - what is on page 1998 that is all that is needed? 
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Coming from a non Computer Science background, the sheer size of this put me off at that time. I started taking management roles 
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Management?! What are you doing on this site? Did you actually come back from the dark side?
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I was a manager for three years, 1998 to 2000, and then became an individual contributor once again. In fact my first CP article came out in 2008, ten years after that management role.
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Welcome back from the dark side!
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