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Mladen Janković wrote: It seems like everyone is sticking to Windows 7.
People are afraid of change. It makes them think and people don't like to think more than they have to.
As for me, I don't have it installed yet, but when the time comes I'll embrace it (or move to a Mac or whatever). No need to let Win7 become the next WinXP. Who wants to get stale and crusty?
Jeremy Falcon
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Believe me, if there is one thing the guys at Mickeysoft's marketing fear, then it's people who start thinking too much about their products.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Who wants to get stale and crusty?
Well none of us. Unfortunately, for some of it is more a question of "how the hell did I get stale and crusty?".
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Totally agree. I did that myself actually. Better late than never when getting out of it though.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: People are afraid of change. It makes them think and people don't like to think more than they have to.
Not necessarily. I like change, but it has to be a change for the better. I moved to Mac after using Windows 8, so clearly not trying to avoid "thinking more than I have to".
Personally, I've got Windows 10 on my own development machine (used solely for .NET development). It seems okay (only had it a day or two and haven't used it that much), but there's no stand out "Whoa! How did I survive without this?" feature that sets it apart from Windows 7 or 8. In contrast, every release of OSX always seems to have something new that improves the user experience.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Then you're not what the type of person I'm referring to. I'm referring to the people that learn something once and then stop. The guys that are still acting like they live in the 60s using COBOL.
Not liking Win10 doesn't mean you don't think. Sticking with WinXP or Win7 until you die means that.
Jeremy Falcon
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I've only updated because I'm a .NET developer (by day  ) and want to keep up with the latest developments. I haven't upgraded to VS2015 yet, but will be shortly (that does have some compelling new features).
For most user, that's not really a reason to go for it. Like I said, there's no (at least as far as I can see at the moment) compelling feature that makes it worth upgrading for most people.
Added to which, quite a few people (myself included) have run into driver issues during the upgrade.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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In my case, it's because "Get Windows 10" says "We're validating Windows 10 for your PC."
In other words: "you gotta wait your turn, sucker!"
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Actually, you can opt to go to microsoft.com, download a USB image, and install/upgrade from there.
Just sayin'
(I prefer that approach personally)
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Because my 8.1 laptop, which is the only one I'm upgrading right away (I rely too much on my Win7 desktop to be an OS alpha tester - I'll give it a month or two), hasn't given me the option yet 
(And I'm too lazy to download it manually)
That said... Looking forward to Win10... Sounds like this is the next in the Win311/Win98/WinXP/Win7 series, not the 95/Me/Vista/Win8 series.
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Ian Shlasko wrote: Sounds like this is the next in the Win311/Win98/WinXP/Win7 series, not the 95/Me/Vista/Win8 series.
It's Microsoft's version of Tick-Tock model[^].
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Haven't you realised that developers are a reactionary bunch.
Hell, a lot of them still think a command-line is the pinnacle of user interfaces.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Why not? It's already installed and does its job.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I expect you'll be learning COBOL next then.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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What for? I still enjoy writing machine code and enter it with a kex keypad. Much more effective than affectionately stroking a smearscreen all day
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: still enjoy writing machine code and enter it with a kex keypad.
Machine code? Hex keypad? LOL! NOOB! This is how I roll[^].
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Yes, of course. You have taken that picture in your basement just now. Must I really make a snapshot of my old computer?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Because it works.
If it's not broken, don't fix it
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Mladen Janković wrote: What's so fascinating about it???
Windows? Well, it was one of the first API's that allowed a developer with limited knowledge to create a uniform looking UI; one that is predictable, where things have a predictable working, and once you know the UI, you pretty much can access any application using that UI without resorting to manuals or expensive training. It had even special provisions for accessibility, so, in short, Windows was great.
One of the main development ideas during the design of various Windows versions was that the user/the owner was completely in charge. It means I was in charge of my machine.
Windows was great. And seven is the last serious version that I have seen
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I for one am afraid convinced that MS is going to turn windows 10 into a dumb terminal for cloud based pay as you go windows via mandatory automatic F$%Kdates. Sol.exe is now subscription based and all they have to do is do the same to explorer.exe or worse as voila you no longer have the power and autonomy we received when we first booted MSDOS 1.1. A:>\MINE
The cloud is evil.
C: drives with your own stuff and you own backups are freedom.
That's why I stay on 7. (The number of completion btw  )
Last night I was mixing on my Windows 7 DAW, listening to playback.
It's a big bitchin multitrack tape recorder for all intent and purposes. It came to me that I want this "tape recorder" to be the same from one day to the next and I don't give a flip what OS it is running so long as I can pick up where I left off yesterday. I do my own image backups with paranoid regularity because hard drives die.
There is NO WAY I'm going to let MS dictate what I do and when I do it just because they're a old and frightened animal who is getting their clock cleaned now and used to be the king of the forest. (No AD pun intended).
They GAVE you Windows 10.
Be very afraid.
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It's not fascinating. The very opposite in fact. That's what's so good about it. An OS should essentially be invisible. You don't question the make of bus that you catch; you simply ride it to your destination. The same is true of W7. It does everything I need it to do without being in my face and needy.
I am trying W10 out in a VM and so far I've found a few things I don't like about it (I hate the look with those modern icons - they're just so fricking dull!) but nothing that says I'm missing out badly enough to warrant devoting a couple of hours to changing over when I've far better things I can be doing with my machine.
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It seems like everyone is rushing to get Windows 10 downloaded and installed.
???
WHY???
I'm still on Windows 7, it works, it's stable, all the PC's at my company, including 20 devs, all still use 7... NO ONE that I know really wants Win 10..
I don't get it... What's so fascinating about it???
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Why?
Why not!
work computers != home computers != virtual machines.
I will upgrade my home computer as soon as it is available for me (haven't been notified yet) because I AM A GEEK/NERD and love cutting edge stuff; and my home PC is a gaming computer and there nothing really valuable on it.
I'd like to upgrade my work computer as well because we need a real computer with the latest Windows OS to build and run our application (outside of testing).
I don't really care about virtual machines, but if I could have one running Win10, then I would be happy too.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Kevin Marois wrote: I'm still on Windows 7
In a few years, that's gonna be the next XP. I can't speak for everyone, and I'm in no rush. But, change is good. It keeps things fresh and new instead of old and stale.
Jeremy Falcon
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